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bigtakilla on 17 January 2016
Illusion said:
Nintendo has said that they don't want to leave a long window between the NX reveal and it's launch for fear that the competition will steal the "new concept" it will have. I think that this is definitely evidence that the NX will NOT be following the same launch pattern as past Nintendo consoles.

Nintendo has to launch something in 2016... the 3DS did well but it can't hold up Nintendo for much longer and the Wii U has never been capable of sustaining Nintendo. The even bigger issue then profitability is the loss of brand recognition that Nintendo is enduring right now. The sooner Nintendo can do something about the fact that kids aren't growing up with Mario and Link anymore, the better off they will be.

If Nintendo does go with a unified handheld and console platform for the NX it just makes sense to release both the handheld and console versions at the same time since developers are likely going to have to make their games compatible with both platforms.

 

I think it's more they didn't want info on the NX being out for 2+ years so the other console makers could steal it. A year/year and a half roughly is hardly enough time to steal the tech and release it, if it really is all that new and exciting. But it would be plenty of time to market and generate buzz.



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bigtakilla on 17 January 2016
Welfare said:
Nintendo is not going to wait more than a year to release a system after revealing details for it. That's not how the this is done anymore. There is going to be a small lag time between announcement and release, and since we are getting a reveal this year, it'll launch this year.

Also, if they wait one more year to release their new console, Nintendo will lose even more relevance in the world wide market. Wii U is about to be buried. Wasting more resources so it lasts until the end of 2017 is not a smart business decision.

 

With their IP in some form being released on phones, movies, anime, and theme park attractiions Nintendo is not likely to lose relevance. Hell, it would probably be a better decision to wait till the LoZ anime releases before releasing Zelda U, lol.



bigtakilla on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.

 

For the period the PSOne was actually available it outsold the Game Boy, fairly easily. Gotta give Sony credit, their console formula is simply very mainstream. 

monopolizing games isn't exactly a formula.

Last I checked, the NES was the only console with a lock out chip that basically forced developers to make games for it. 

Sony doesn't force developers to make games for them, they're simply (far) better at selling consoles than Nintendo or Microsoft are. Probably because they have a better understanding of what the console market is (like them or not). 

 

Well, yes Sony is simply better at getting what the average consumer wants from a console, paid exclusives were also RAMPANT during the PS1/2 days as well. Let's not fool ourselves on either side of the fence.



Soundwave on 17 January 2016

If NX is just a "standard" console then I don't see much chance of success for it unless it has some magic wonder controller that changes the industry again.

The benefit of a unified platform isn't just shared games ... it's shared userbase, which matters hugely to developers. If it's a segregated userbase again, that all goes to shit.

When the 3DS sells 50-70 million units it means dick all for the Wii U right? It actually probably hurts the Wii U because developers if they are going to bother with anything Nintendo related will just throw out some low budget 3DS game and call it a day. Why bother with the 15 million selling console when Nintendo has this other 50+ million selling system. 

With a unified structure, the console could have "piggybacked" off the relative success of the portable models to have a large enough userbase (even if Nintendo portables aren't selling like they used to, they're still miles beyond their console division). 

If NX is a separate stand-alone console, then without question it can't even be a priority for Nintendo right now. The 3DS successor (whatever that is) has to be a far larger priority right now above NX, Wii U, and even mobile games, because the 3DS is running on fumes right now and it's exhausted Nintendo's franchise catalog. It will be 5 1/2 years old by this fall and will badly be in need of replacing (yes DS got 6 years, but it was well warranted with 150 million hardware sales, 3DS probably isn't even going to get to half that).



bigtakilla on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:

If NX is just a "standard" console then I don't see much chance of success for it unless it has some magic wonder controller that changes the industry again.

The benefit of a unified platform isn't just shared games ... it's shared userbase, which matters hugely to developers. If it's a segregated userbase again, that all goes to shit.

When the 3DS sells 50-70 million units it means dick all for the Wii U right? It actually probably hurts the Wii U because developers if they are going to bother with anything Nintendo related will just throw out some low budget 3DS game and call it a day.

With a unified structure, the console could have "piggybacked" off the relative success of the portable models to have a large enough userbase (even if Nintendo portables aren't selling like they used to, they're still miles beyond their console division). 
If NX is a separate stand-alone console, then without question it can't even be a priority for Nintendo right now. The 3DS successor (whatever that is) has to be a far larger priority right now above NX, Wii U, and even mobile games, because the 3DS is running on fumes right now and it's exhausted Nintendo's franchise catalog. It will be 5 1/2 years old by this fall and will badly be in need of replacing (yes DS got 6 years, but it was well warranted with 150 million hardware sales, 3DS probably isn't even going to get to half that).

I agree. I think the sales of Smash Bros last year is a clear indicator that they need a unified platform (being the majority of Smash owners are of the 3ds version). Same could be said for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and soon Hyrule Warriors. Unify them and eliminate the divide. 

Also, we are due for a new entry in the main series of Pokemon, and they have a new movie coming out to celebrate the 20th anniversary as well as smart phone game. Tell me a Pokemon game that would even look no better than a higher budget Wii U game wouldn't kill in sales. Yet again, the time to strike (regardless of 2016 or 2017 release for NX) is now. 





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hinch on 17 January 2016

Nintendo hardly have anything planned for this holiday for Wii U, and for the rest of the year. And I can't really see them holding out for another year of poor sales.

NX will launch at some point this year, whether it will be handheld or home console (or both). Though, I'm putting my money on it being the latter. With Zelda being a launch title.



Soundwave on 17 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

If NX is just a "standard" console then I don't see much chance of success for it unless it has some magic wonder controller that changes the industry again.

The benefit of a unified platform isn't just shared games ... it's shared userbase, which matters hugely to developers. If it's a segregated userbase again, that all goes to shit.

When the 3DS sells 50-70 million units it means dick all for the Wii U right? It actually probably hurts the Wii U because developers if they are going to bother with anything Nintendo related will just throw out some low budget 3DS game and call it a day.

With a unified structure, the console could have "piggybacked" off the relative success of the portable models to have a large enough userbase (even if Nintendo portables aren't selling like they used to, they're still miles beyond their console division). 
If NX is a separate stand-alone console, then without question it can't even be a priority for Nintendo right now. The 3DS successor (whatever that is) has to be a far larger priority right now above NX, Wii U, and even mobile games, because the 3DS is running on fumes right now and it's exhausted Nintendo's franchise catalog. It will be 5 1/2 years old by this fall and will badly be in need of replacing (yes DS got 6 years, but it was well warranted with 150 million hardware sales, 3DS probably isn't even going to get to half that).

I agree. I think the sales of Smash Bros last year is a clear indicator that they need a unified platform (being the majority of Smash owners are of the 3ds version). Same could be said for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and soon Hyrule Warriors. Unify them and eliminate the divide. 

Also, we are due for a new entry in the main series of Pokemon, and they have a new movie coming out to celebrate the 20th anniversary as well as smart phone game. Tell me a Pokemon game that would even look no better than a higher budget Wii U game wouldn't kill in sales. Yet again, the time to strike (regardless of 2016 or 2017 release for NX) is now. 

If it is a unified platform, then NX probably does launch this year as even most Nintendo fans agree the 3DS needs to be replaced and soon. 



bigtakilla on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

If NX is just a "standard" console then I don't see much chance of success for it unless it has some magic wonder controller that changes the industry again.

The benefit of a unified platform isn't just shared games ... it's shared userbase, which matters hugely to developers. If it's a segregated userbase again, that all goes to shit.

When the 3DS sells 50-70 million units it means dick all for the Wii U right? It actually probably hurts the Wii U because developers if they are going to bother with anything Nintendo related will just throw out some low budget 3DS game and call it a day.

With a unified structure, the console could have "piggybacked" off the relative success of the portable models to have a large enough userbase (even if Nintendo portables aren't selling like they used to, they're still miles beyond their console division). 
If NX is a separate stand-alone console, then without question it can't even be a priority for Nintendo right now. The 3DS successor (whatever that is) has to be a far larger priority right now above NX, Wii U, and even mobile games, because the 3DS is running on fumes right now and it's exhausted Nintendo's franchise catalog. It will be 5 1/2 years old by this fall and will badly be in need of replacing (yes DS got 6 years, but it was well warranted with 150 million hardware sales, 3DS probably isn't even going to get to half that).

I agree. I think the sales of Smash Bros last year is a clear indicator that they need a unified platform (being the majority of Smash owners are of the 3ds version). Same could be said for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and soon Hyrule Warriors. Unify them and eliminate the divide. 

Also, we are due for a new entry in the main series of Pokemon, and they have a new movie coming out to celebrate the 20th anniversary as well as smart phone game. Tell me a Pokemon game that would even look no better than a higher budget Wii U game wouldn't kill in sales. Yet again, the time to strike (regardless of 2016 or 2017 release for NX) is now. 

If it is a unified platform, then NX probably does launch this year as even most Nintendo fans agree the 3DS needs to be replaced and soon. 

 

This is where we disagree.



Soundwave on 17 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

If NX is just a "standard" console then I don't see much chance of success for it unless it has some magic wonder controller that changes the industry again.

The benefit of a unified platform isn't just shared games ... it's shared userbase, which matters hugely to developers. If it's a segregated userbase again, that all goes to shit.

When the 3DS sells 50-70 million units it means dick all for the Wii U right? It actually probably hurts the Wii U because developers if they are going to bother with anything Nintendo related will just throw out some low budget 3DS game and call it a day.

With a unified structure, the console could have "piggybacked" off the relative success of the portable models to have a large enough userbase (even if Nintendo portables aren't selling like they used to, they're still miles beyond their console division). 
If NX is a separate stand-alone console, then without question it can't even be a priority for Nintendo right now. The 3DS successor (whatever that is) has to be a far larger priority right now above NX, Wii U, and even mobile games, because the 3DS is running on fumes right now and it's exhausted Nintendo's franchise catalog. It will be 5 1/2 years old by this fall and will badly be in need of replacing (yes DS got 6 years, but it was well warranted with 150 million hardware sales, 3DS probably isn't even going to get to half that).

I agree. I think the sales of Smash Bros last year is a clear indicator that they need a unified platform (being the majority of Smash owners are of the 3ds version). Same could be said for Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and soon Hyrule Warriors. Unify them and eliminate the divide. 

Also, we are due for a new entry in the main series of Pokemon, and they have a new movie coming out to celebrate the 20th anniversary as well as smart phone game. Tell me a Pokemon game that would even look no better than a higher budget Wii U game wouldn't kill in sales. Yet again, the time to strike (regardless of 2016 or 2017 release for NX) is now. 

If it is a unified platform, then NX probably does launch this year as even most Nintendo fans agree the 3DS needs to be replaced and soon. 

 

This is where we disagree.

 

Eh, I don't think the 3DS has another year left in its gas tank. Nintendo can't really do much more without it, they've revisioned it up the ying yang and released all their core IP for it. Another Pokemon or Mario is not magically going to boost sales at this point. 



PerturbedKitty on 17 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

 

This is where we disagree.

 

Eh, I don't think the 3DS has another year left in its gas tank. Nintendo can't really do much more without it, they've revisioned it up the ying yang and released all their core IP for it. Another Pokemon or Mario is not magically going to boost sales at this point. 

well, i'd still blindly buy anything that they publish on it, so they would get sales from me at least.