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bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

At the end of the day, for every company, they are all predictions regardless of fanbase.

*edit* (I kind of want to expand on this statement)

I wanted to add that you seem to think that there is a clear right way and wrong way to go about things. That NX will ONLY benefit if released in 2016, and you see no way it could benefit the NX. You see it as all Nintendo fans would gain from this is a 5 year gen, which is not true.Microsoft added better parts in the Xbone the year it was supposed to release, so getting better hardware out of one more year of waiting isn't off the table. Allowing more time for games to be developed or start development is another actual benefit from waiting.

If a 5 year gen was the actual only benefit then your point would be a lot stronger than it currently is, but there is no definite right or wrong answer.

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker. 

Well there are people who say "NO WAYZ NINTENDO WAITZ", then they bring up bad sales numbers as if that's actually a sound reason to rush something to market. If it's not ready, or it doesn't have a lineup to attract people then releasing it is only going to hurt them for another gen.

Yes Nintendo fans are excited about the next console. Every fanbase is excited when the talk of the next console is happening.

As far as Nintendo handhelds outselling Nintendo consoles, Nintendo handhelds have outsold EVERYTHING the past 4 generations (except maybe PS2).





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Soundwave on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker. 

Well there are people who say "NO WAYZ NINTENDO WAITZ", then they bring up bad sales numbers as if that's actually a sound reason to rush something to market. If it's not ready, or it doesn't have a lineup to attract people then releasing it is only going to hurt them for another gen.

Yes Nintendo fans are excited about the next console. Every fanbase is excited when the talk of the next console is happening.

As far as Nintendo handhelds outselling Nintendo consoles, Nintendo handhelds have outsold EVERYTHING the past 4 generations (except maybe PS2).

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 



Soundwave on 16 January 2016
Hiku said:
PerturbedKitty said:
Vodacixi said:
NX will come November 2016-March 2017. Plain and simple. They don' t have games to support the thing for the entire 2017. What they are developing now except for Zelda, Star Fox and maybe Pikmin 4 is going to be released on the NX.

And thats pretty much it.

how do you know that they dont have games lined up to support it in 2017? does sony have any games to support the ps4 in 2017? im not aware of any games that are currently announced on the ps4 that are coming out in 2017 besides maybe shenmue.

A 2017 for WiiU does not exist right now. And 2016 would barely even exist without all the delayed games from 2015.
The last time they announced any meaningful new support for WiiU was over 1,6 years ago, at E3 in 2014. Everything else was either something that began development in 2013, or rushed budget games (Amiibo Festival, Mario Tennis)

Nintendo abandoned the WiiU some time in 2014 (When it comes to new quality games), and moved all new development over to NX.
The chances of them suddenly announcing new quality games after so much time has passed is close to zero.

As for Sony, they don't need to rely on first party support when they have so much quality third party support.
There are a few games confirmed for 2017 though, such as Yakuza 0, but we really can't expect everything that's been announced for PS4 to be released within the year. Especially games with no confirmed release date. Among them are Final Fantasy7: Remake, Kingdom Hearts 3, Ace Combat 7, Ni No Kuni 2, Resident Evil 2 Remake, Yakuza 6, Project Setsuna (new rpg from Square Enix) etc.
But the point is, the strong third party support for PS4 will continue for years. That's not the case for WiiU. On top of that they no longer have anything left to plausibly delay into 2017, because everything except Pokken has already been delayed from 2015. Nor do they have any new quality titles announced for it since mid 2014. So that's a really bad sign for Nintendo. Strong support for PS4 is not a question, it's a given.

What we can expect for WiiU in 2017 at this point is more budget titles like Amiibo Festival. Not Metroid or F-Zero.

Pretty much. 

Whatever the 3DS successor is, it has first dibs on the next Mario Kart, Animal Crossing, Mario 3D, Mario 2D, Smash Brothers, next Retro project, etc. now too. Wii U ain't getting put as a priorty over the 3DS successor for any of those major Nintendo IP. You're not getting Metroid either looks like. 



bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker. 

Well there are people who say "NO WAYZ NINTENDO WAITZ", then they bring up bad sales numbers as if that's actually a sound reason to rush something to market. If it's not ready, or it doesn't have a lineup to attract people then releasing it is only going to hurt them for another gen.

Yes Nintendo fans are excited about the next console. Every fanbase is excited when the talk of the next console is happening.

As far as Nintendo handhelds outselling Nintendo consoles, Nintendo handhelds have outsold EVERYTHING the past 4 generations (except maybe PS2).

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.





Soundwave on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker. 

Well there are people who say "NO WAYZ NINTENDO WAITZ", then they bring up bad sales numbers as if that's actually a sound reason to rush something to market. If it's not ready, or it doesn't have a lineup to attract people then releasing it is only going to hurt them for another gen.

Yes Nintendo fans are excited about the next console. Every fanbase is excited when the talk of the next console is happening.

As far as Nintendo handhelds outselling Nintendo consoles, Nintendo handhelds have outsold EVERYTHING the past 4 generations (except maybe PS2).

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.

 

For the period the PSOne was actually available it outsold the Game Boy, fairly easily. Gotta give Sony credit, their console formula is simply very mainstream. 



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bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker. 

Well there are people who say "NO WAYZ NINTENDO WAITZ", then they bring up bad sales numbers as if that's actually a sound reason to rush something to market. If it's not ready, or it doesn't have a lineup to attract people then releasing it is only going to hurt them for another gen.

Yes Nintendo fans are excited about the next console. Every fanbase is excited when the talk of the next console is happening.

As far as Nintendo handhelds outselling Nintendo consoles, Nintendo handhelds have outsold EVERYTHING the past 4 generations (except maybe PS2).

PSOne, PS2, and PS4 will be the best selling hardware of their respective generations, even including Nintendo portable sales.

Nintendo fans are excited about the NX? Really? Never seen such so many people terrified of a new piece of hardware. 

We don't know dick all about what goes on inside Nintendo's R&D to be able to say something is 'rushed' or not. 

The last time Nintendo released a rushed piece of hardware it became their best selling system ever. 

Wii U isn't Nintendo, in the end it'll just be remember as one of their worst selling systems and a footnote in their history (if Nintendo is lucky). The importance that's placed on it here is really laughable. 

This has been a miserable generation for Nintendo that probably can't end soon enough for them. 

No, the gameboy color sold 118 million, the PS1 shipped 102 million (may not have entirely sold through though). And though PS4 will eventually overtake 3DS, it still sits at more units sold as of now. It seems at best they rotate each gen at which one sits at the top.

 

For the period the PSOne was actually available it outsold the Game Boy, fairly easily. Gotta give Sony credit, their console formula is simply very mainstream. 

But not the final numbers. And yes, Sony is pretty much the only company that really gets what most consumers what out of home consoles.





Platina on 16 January 2016

I wouldn't say that is the reason why the NX is not coming out in 2016, but I think a 2017 release makes sense too



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thatguymarco on 16 January 2016

Eh, who knows, nobody but the guys at Ninty know what's going on so just let's take a sit and chill 'till the time comes.



I'm now filled with determination.

Welfare on 16 January 2016

Nintendo is not going to wait more than a year to release a system after revealing details for it. That's not how the this is done anymore. There is going to be a small lag time between announcement and release, and since we are getting a reveal this year, it'll launch this year.

Also, if they wait one more year to release their new console, Nintendo will lose even more relevance in the world wide market. Wii U is about to be buried. Wasting more resources so it lasts until the end of 2017 is not a smart business decision.



Won bet with t3mporary_126 - I correctly predicted that the Wii U's LTD at the end of 2014 would be closer to 9 million than 10 million. http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6673287

Wyrdness on 16 January 2016
Welfare said:
Nintendo is not going to wait more than a year to release a system after revealing details for it. That's not how the this is done anymore. There is going to be a small lag time between announcement and release, and since we are getting a reveal this year, it'll launch this year.

Also, if they wait one more year to release their new console, Nintendo will lose even more relevance in the world wide market. Wii U is about to be buried. Wasting more resources so it lasts until the end of 2017 is not a smart business decision.

 


Exactly this, we're no longer in the eras when you launch a year after revealing, the surprise factor is part of the momentum and competitors now days respond a lot quicker unlike in the previous gens.