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bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
snyps said:
@OP

is it too late to get a poll vote to see what people think is going to happen?

It's pointless. Everyone already knows (spoiler alert) the majority thinks the NX will release this year.





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snyps on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

True. 

But by the same token if you came on this board last year and said Nintendo would be making mobile games, the Wii U wasn't getting a real Animal Crossing but a spin-off low-budget Amiibo cash-in, Star Fox would be delayed, they wouldn't show any new major games at E3, oh and Metroid is getting a cartoony 3-on-3 hunters spin-off ... you'd probably be getting insults from people on this board even though what you'd be saying was all factual. 

Nintendo fans are too emotionally invested in things to make logical, level headed predictions about things. Quite often Nintendo will literally do the opposite of what fans here think.  

Even in the Wii days (back when it was Project Revolution), I remember Nintendo fans online losing their shit when Perrin Kaplan (then of NOA) casually said the Revolution would only be 2-3x the power of the GameCube. "That stupid bitch doesn't know what she's talking about! No way will Nintendo ever release an underpowered console like that!". 

The Wii U and 3DS are performing worse than I think many people here are willing to admit, Nintendo has not had hardware shipments this low for this long since the Game Boy was introduced in 1989. 

The same could be said for boards when PS3 was announced to launch at $600. Insults were being thrown around about "if you're too poor to buy a $600 console, get out of gaming" when all people were saying is that $600 was FAR too much to spend on a console for the average person. What happened? It flopped hard until it got its price down to a reasonable level.

Same could be said for Vita. It came out for around the price of a home console and the memory cards were stupid expensive. People were getting called idiots for thinking that it was far too expensive for a handheld.

Emotions also run deep for every console.

Hell, what about the people that were defending DRM and the always online Xbone? Or the people saying Kinect 2 is the future, deal with it? C'mon, quit trying to make everything a Nintendo problem.

 

That's a hella good point. I just wanted to say that.



snyps on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
snyps said:
@OP

is it too late to get a poll vote to see what people think is going to happen?

It's pointless. Everyone already knows (spoiler alert) the majority thinks the NX will release this year.

 

Can't argue there. I'd like to get a thread that puts people on the record. Wouldn't that be interesting?



bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
snyps said:
bigtakilla said:

It's pointless. Everyone already knows (spoiler alert) the majority thinks the NX will release this year.

 

Can't argue there. I'd like to get a thread that puts people on the record. Wouldn't that be interesting?

Hell yeah.





Miyamotoo on 16 January 2016
Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
If they release NX before Holiday 2017, they will be shootibg themselves in the foot and it would be WiiU all over again. This thing needs a proper gen shift to be relevant. It will be only slightly stronger than the PS4, IF AT ALL and that won't be enough to shift momentum from PS4 OR X1 for that matter. People are going to follow their friends and that ship has sailed for the most part.

People who buy the NX if it is released too soon will consist of Ninty fans and multi console gamers. In short, the same as the ones that bought the WiiU.

Huge difference is that Wii U had so many mistakes done by Nintendo (that are well known), and only people who buyed Wii U are mostly Nintendo fans, NX probably will probably not have majority of those mistakes and Nintendo will probably aim to make far more appealing, similar to Wii.

 


Problem is they have the reputation of the WiiU shadowing over it.  They need to break that and making the same release scheduling mistake (yes it would be a mistake) will do little to prove that things are different.  Also they will never recapture the Wii audience.  That hit to the casual market was a one hit wonder as they have all moved to mobile, so targeting that audience would hold it back as well.

It wouldnt be same relase scheduling beacuse Wii U was relase only one year before PS4/X1, while NX will be relase at least 2 years before PS5/X2 and probably around 3 years, basicly in middle of generation.

They will not aim just casual market, they will aim core and casuals in same time, with Wii they aimed casuals, with Wii U they aimed core gamers, but Wii U had to many big problems to be successful and popular console.

 


Name one mid gen release console that did remotely well.  Look at the Dreamcast, XBox original, and the WiiU.  What do they all have in common?  They all underperformed during their time.

 

As much as you may want the NX out sooner, it will be a failure if it comes out too soon.  Dance around it all you want, it won't change reality.  Mid gen releases are the horrible strategies and never work.  Facts will always outway what anyone wishes to happen.

But my point is that Wii U and NX want be relased in same time frame like I alredy wrote, Wii U was basicly relased at end of one or begining of onother, Wii U will be relased in middle of generation, not same thing at all.

NX has bigger chances of success if is released sooner (2016) than later, it's obvious that Nintendo can't wait PS5/X2 with Wii U and than launch NX.

Its way too early too say that NX will be failure, its also too early to say that will be huge success.

 


It needs to ve released almost right before the others when people are starving for new tech, not mid gen.  That is the only way it will have a chance at success.  We can go rounds all day on this, but it is the truth.  No amount of optinistic hipes will change that.

 

In due time you will see ine way or another.  If I am wrong quote me or get a month of sig control or whatever, I will take the bet.

 

If NX releases too soon, it will be WiiU all over again and will show a similar sales patern.  If it releases closer to X2 and PS5 it will do better than WiiU (not saying it will beat PS5 or X1, but it will do better than WiiU in this case).  This will be the result regardless of what NX is if it is console related.

PS5/X2 will realistically be released around 2019, Nintendo cant wait for instance 2018/2019 with Wii U to release new hardware because Wii U is selling terrible and for 3-4 years without new home console everybody would forget about Nintendo and their home consoles. Thats a fact, best thing they can do in this situation is to release new console/platform earliest they can, and that's probably 2016.

It want be Wii U all over again and definitely will not have similar sales pattern. You forgetting Wii U problem wasn't only launch time, it was bloody mess in every way, terrible name and marketing that made huge confusion on market, almost useless gamepad, terrible launch titles, high price, software droughts, Nintendo invest huge amount effort in order to save 3DS and that definitely effect on Wii U...all that leads to terrible WIi U sales in first year that leads to 3rd party completely abandoned Wii U in first year. So only way that NX have similar sales like Wii U is to Nintendo do again such a bloody mess, and that's almost impossible because Nintendo address almost all of those problems and said they will not repeat them with NX. So NX will definitely sell much better than Wii U (that isn't really hard at all and dont saying much), we will see how much better.



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bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
snyps said:
bigtakilla said:

The same could be said for boards when PS3 was announced to launch at $600. Insults were being thrown around about "if you're too poor to buy a $600 console, get out of gaming" when all people were saying is that $600 was FAR too much to spend on a console for the average person. What happened? It flopped hard until it got its price down to a reasonable level.

Same could be said for Vita. It came out for around the price of a home console and the memory cards were stupid expensive. People were getting called idiots for thinking that it was far too expensive for a handheld.

Emotions also run deep for every console.

Hell, what about the people that were defending DRM and the always online Xbone? Or the people saying Kinect 2 is the future, deal with it? C'mon, quit trying to make everything a Nintendo problem.

 

That's a hella good point. I just wanted to say that.

Lol, I also forgot about every single gen since the Snes Playstation and Xbox fans predict Nintendo will not make another console. To include the Wii U gen.





Miyamotoo on 16 January 2016
Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Zelda U port for NX is almost certain. Nintendo already done same thing with Zelda Twilight Princess.

You think it's certain because it happened one time before in a different scenario? Nintendo would gain nothing by porting a game already available through BC with no need for an extra controller.

Who said NX will be BC!?

Wii was BC but again Nintendo release Wii version of Zelda TP even people could play it through BC without problems.

Zelda U is very huge and expensive game, Nintendo will want to use most of it, it would be perfect launch title for new platform, same like was TP great launch title for Wii.





Soundwave on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

True. 

But by the same token if you came on this board last year and said Nintendo would be making mobile games, the Wii U wasn't getting a real Animal Crossing but a spin-off low-budget Amiibo cash-in, Star Fox would be delayed, they wouldn't show any new major games at E3, oh and Metroid is getting a cartoony 3-on-3 hunters spin-off ... you'd probably be getting insults from people on this board even though what you'd be saying was all factual. 

Nintendo fans are too emotionally invested in things to make logical, level headed predictions about things. Quite often Nintendo will literally do the opposite of what fans here think.  

Even in the Wii days (back when it was Project Revolution), I remember Nintendo fans online losing their shit when Perrin Kaplan (then of NOA) casually said the Revolution would only be 2-3x the power of the GameCube. "That stupid bitch doesn't know what she's talking about! No way will Nintendo ever release an underpowered console like that!". 

The Wii U and 3DS are performing worse than I think many people here are willing to admit, Nintendo has not had hardware shipments this low for this long since the Game Boy was introduced in 1989. 

The same could be said for boards when PS3 was announced to launch at $600. Insults were being thrown around about "if you're too poor to buy a $600 console, get out of gaming" when all people were saying is that $600 was FAR too much to spend on a console for the average person. What happened? It flopped hard until it got its price down to a reasonable level.

Same could be said for Vita. It came out for around the price of a home console and the memory cards were stupid expensive. People were getting called idiots for thinking that it was far too expensive for a handheld.

Emotions also run deep for every console.

Hell, what about the people that were defending DRM and the always online Xbone? Or the people saying Kinect 2 is the future, deal with it? C'mon, quit trying to make everything a Nintendo problem.

I'm just saying in often cases fanboys of any particular brand who don't have any business objectivity are pretty much the last people to look at for predictions. 

Because they see the company as "their friend" ... they can't evaulate things on pure business logic. 

Sony/MS are a lot more predictable anyway. Nintendo often operates by doing the exact opposite of how their fans would run the company (for better or worse), it's generally far more likely if a Nintendo fan predicts something, that Nintendo often will do the exact opposite. 



bigtakilla on 16 January 2016
Soundwave said:
 

I'm just saying in often cases fanboys of any particular brand who don't have any business objectivity are pretty much the last people to look at for predictions. 

Because they see the company as "their friend" ... they can't evaulate things on pure business logic. 

Sony/MS are a lot more predictable anyway. Nintendo often operates by doing the exact opposite of how their fans would run the company (for better or worse), it's generally far more likely if a Nintendo fan predicts something, that Nintendo often will do the exact opposite. 

At the end of the day, for every company, they are all predictions regardless of fanbase.

*edit* (I kind of want to expand on this statement)

I wanted to add that you seem to think that there is a clear right way and wrong way to go about things. That NX will ONLY benefit if released in 2016, and you see no way it could benefit the NX. You see it as all Nintendo fans would gain from this is a 5 year gen, which is not true.Microsoft added better parts in the Xbone the year it was supposed to release, so getting better hardware out of one more year of waiting isn't off the table. Allowing more time for games to be developed or start development is another actual benefit from waiting.

If a 5 year gen was the actual only benefit then your point would be a lot stronger than it currently is, but there is no definite right or wrong answer.



Soundwave on 16 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:
 

I'm just saying in often cases fanboys of any particular brand who don't have any business objectivity are pretty much the last people to look at for predictions. 

Because they see the company as "their friend" ... they can't evaulate things on pure business logic. 

Sony/MS are a lot more predictable anyway. Nintendo often operates by doing the exact opposite of how their fans would run the company (for better or worse), it's generally far more likely if a Nintendo fan predicts something, that Nintendo often will do the exact opposite. 

At the end of the day, for every company, they are all predictions regardless of fanbase.

*edit* (I kind of want to expand on this statement)

I wanted to add that you seem to think that there is a clear right way and wrong way to go about things. That NX will ONLY benefit if released in 2016, and you see no way it could benefit the NX. You see it as all Nintendo fans would gain from this is a 5 year gen, which is not true.Microsoft added better parts in the Xbone the year it was supposed to release, so getting better hardware out of one more year of waiting isn't off the table. Allowing more time for games to be developed or start development is another actual benefit from waiting.

If a 5 year gen was the actual only benefit then your point would be a lot stronger than it currently is, but there is no definite right or wrong answer.

 

I'm fine with making a prediction. What I don't like though is hostility in the sense of "NO WAYZ WILL NINTENDO DOEZ THAT". 

Nintendo does things how they want all the time and don't give two craps about what their fanbase thinks much of the time. That's just how it goes. 

I think too many Nintendo fans are obsessed with the next-gen home console too. You guys realize that the 3DS outsold the Wii U 5:1 right? That handhelds have outsold Nintendo consoles for 4 straight generations right? The attitude here is like the 3DS successor is just some after thought that Nintendo will fart out ... if Nintendo's portables fail they are pretty much kaput as a viable hardware maker.