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Thunderbird77 said:
Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

There's no such thing as a portable console.



Which is why Nintendo will make it. Because they like to be the first to do stuff. 

There was no such thing as a touch-screen portable or a motion gaming console before 2004 and 2006. 

There is no such thing as a portable console =/= one not existing right now. the concept is impossible. A hardware will either be portable or home. How do you expect the "portable part" to work outside the home? 4g streaming? cause if the imaginary portable part is rendering it's stuff with it's own hardware, then that's not a part of a console, it's a standalone portable. meanwhile , a portable that can connect to a tv is still a portable.



It would work outside the home because it could have a very powerful chipset. The Tegra X1 and Apple A9X could likely run even PS4-ports at 960x540 resolution for example and these are not (contrary to popular belief) expensive processors. The A9X has an estimated build cost of $38 for a whopping 600 GFLOP processor (PowerVR even has a 800 GFLOP model which they're hoping to put into low cost Android consoles). Tegra X1 has been in a $199.99 Shield console for about a year already and is sold at a large profit.

That's the thing these mobile processors are game changers, we didn't have anything close to this even when the Vita launched.

Just like glasses free 3D, touch panels in a portable, wand controller with gryo sensors at one time would have been too cost prohibitive, technology scales. 

It just so happens right now that the most radical technological gains are in the mobile market because of the intense pressure to have the best smartphone/tablet. 



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Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

There is no such thing as a portable console =/= one not existing right now. the concept is impossible. A hardware will either be portable or home. How do you expect the "portable part" to work outside the home? 4g streaming? cause if the imaginary portable part is rendering it's stuff with it's own hardware, then that's not a part of a console, it's a standalone portable. meanwhile , a portable that can connect to a tv is still a portable.



It would work outside the home because it could have a very powerful chipset. The Tegra X1 and Apple A9X could likely run even PS4-ports at 960x540 resolution for example and these are not (contrary to popular belief) expensive processors. The A9X has an estimated build cost of $38 for a whopping 600 GFLOP processor (PowerVR even has a 800 GFLOP model which they're hoping to put into low cost Android consoles). Tegra X1 has been in a $199.99 Shield console for about a year already and is sold at a large profit.

That's the thing these mobile processors are game changers, we didn't have anything close to this even when the Vita launched.

Just like glasses free 3D, touch panels in a portable, wand controller with gryo sensors at one time would have been too cost prohibitive, technology scales. 

It just so happens right now that the most radical technological gains are in the mobile market because of the intense pressure to have the best smartphone/tablet. 

If a "handheld part" works on it's own, it's not a part of anything.





Thunderbird77 said:
Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

There is no such thing as a portable console =/= one not existing right now. the concept is impossible. A hardware will either be portable or home. How do you expect the "portable part" to work outside the home? 4g streaming? cause if the imaginary portable part is rendering it's stuff with it's own hardware, then that's not a part of a console, it's a standalone portable. meanwhile , a portable that can connect to a tv is still a portable.



It would work outside the home because it could have a very powerful chipset. The Tegra X1 and Apple A9X could likely run even PS4-ports at 960x540 resolution for example and these are not (contrary to popular belief) expensive processors. The A9X has an estimated build cost of $38 for a whopping 600 GFLOP processor (PowerVR even has a 800 GFLOP model which they're hoping to put into low cost Android consoles). Tegra X1 has been in a $199.99 Shield console for about a year already and is sold at a large profit.

That's the thing these mobile processors are game changers, we didn't have anything close to this even when the Vita launched.

Just like glasses free 3D, touch panels in a portable, wand controller with gryo sensors at one time would have been too cost prohibitive, technology scales. 

It just so happens right now that the most radical technological gains are in the mobile market because of the intense pressure to have the best smartphone/tablet. 

If a "handheld part" works on it's own, it's not a part of anything.



 

I'd make the handheld the central component. People need to stop thinking of the handheld as some kind of "little brother, diet Nintendo" machine. 

I'd throw the entire console/handheld dynamic in the garbage. It doesn't work today, no one but a very, very small group of Nintendo fans wants to buy two different machines just to play all the different Nintendo games. 

There isn't anything on the market that's like a mobile console. It would differniate NX immeidately from the PS4/XB1 and also from low-cost tablets on the other end of the spectrum right away. I can see Nintendo doing it. 



zorg1000 said:

 

bigtakilla said:

 

So you wnted the Wii, but not Wii U?

 

Considering Wii U is on track to sell less than 1/5 the hardware & software of Wii, I would say a lot of people wanted a Wii but not a Wii U.

Fair enough, but more people bought Wii than PS4 and Xbone (in the same timespan). So motion controls killed off far too soon?





bigtakilla said:
zorg1000 said:

 

 

Considering Wii U is on track to sell less than 1/5 the hardware & software of Wii, I would say a lot of people wanted a Wii but not a Wii U.

Fair enough, but more people bought Wii than PS4 and Xbone (in the same timespan). So motion controls killed off far too soon?



 

No because we saw Kinect and Wii sales drop off a cliff. And it's not like the Wii U doesn't have motion controls, the lead pack-in game for the system (Nintendo Land) basically required motion controls. 

Even the new Apple TV which has a motion controller isn't seeing monster sales per se. 

It's more likely motion controls, like guitar controllers, had their time and got boring to a fickle fanbase after a couple of years. 

The number of "motion games" you can make which don't exhaust or frustrate the player are largely limited to mini-game-a-thons and that gets boring after a while. 



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Soundwave said:

No offence, but there is a group of Nintendo fans that's been wrong about pretty much everything this generation ...

"Mobile games suck, those won't impact the 3DS at all"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo will never, ever, ever make mobile games"

- Wrong.

"Wii U is going to be fairly successful, the Wii was at least 70-80 million sold"

- Wrong (it's only even in the last 12-15 months that some have accepted Wii U won't sell on par with GameCube)

"Nintendo will never release a 3DS without the 3D feature that's just stupid, what are they going to call it? 2DS? Don't me laugh"

- Wrong.

"Just wait until Smash and Mario Kart, Wii U sales will explode for sure!"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo has to release a real Animal Crossing for Wii U"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo will never release a 3DS with a second analog stick it would split the userbase! It's against the rules!"

- Wrong.

Basically the logic always is "I want this to happen (or don't want it to happen" mixed with "well Nintendo has never done in the past". But really it's based on nothing more than this.

The truth is Nintendo doesn't give one fuck what their fan base thinks 90% of the time (neither does the market). They will make a Federation Force Metroid game. They will replace the GBA mid-generation with their most successful hardware ever. etc. etc. etc.

Every fan base has their wrong predictions, it is (at the end of the day) all predictions.





bigtakilla said:
Soundwave said:

No offence, but there is a group of Nintendo fans that's been wrong about pretty much everything this generation ...

"Mobile games suck, those won't impact the 3DS at all"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo will never, ever, ever make mobile games"

- Wrong.

"Wii U is going to be fairly successful, the Wii was at least 70-80 million sold"

- Wrong (it's only even in the last 12-15 months that some have accepted Wii U won't sell on par with GameCube)

"Nintendo will never release a 3DS without the 3D feature that's just stupid, what are they going to call it? 2DS? Don't me laugh"

- Wrong.

"Just wait until Smash and Mario Kart, Wii U sales will explode for sure!"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo has to release a real Animal Crossing for Wii U"

- Wrong.

"Nintendo will never release a 3DS with a second analog stick it would split the userbase! It's against the rules!"

- Wrong.

Basically the logic always is "I want this to happen (or don't want it to happen" mixed with "well Nintendo has never done in the past". But really it's based on nothing more than this.

The truth is Nintendo doesn't give one fuck what their fan base thinks 90% of the time (neither does the market). They will make a Federation Force Metroid game. They will replace the GBA mid-generation with their most successful hardware ever. etc. etc. etc.

Every fan base has their wrong predictions, it is (at the end of the day) all predictions.



True. 

But by the same token if you came on this board last year and said Nintendo would be making mobile games, the Wii U wasn't getting a real Animal Crossing but a spin-off low-budget Amiibo cash-in, Star Fox would be delayed, they wouldn't show any new major games at E3, oh and Metroid is getting a cartoony 3-on-3 hunters spin-off ... you'd probably be getting insults from people on this board even though what you'd be saying was all factual. 

Nintendo fans are too emotionally invested in things to make logical, level headed predictions about things. Quite often Nintendo will literally do the opposite of what fans here think.  

Even in the Wii days (back when it was Project Revolution), I remember Nintendo fans online losing their shit when Perrin Kaplan (then of NOA) casually said the Revolution would only be 2-3x the power of the GameCube. "That stupid bitch doesn't know what she's talking about! No way will Nintendo ever release an underpowered console like that!". It was embarrassing. 

The Wii U and 3DS are performing worse than I think many people here are willing to admit, Nintendo has not had hardware shipments this low for this long since the Game Boy was introduced in 1989. I think there's also a lot of sugar coating of this fact, as in people have settled into this kinda denial loop of "well it's doing bad, but its been doing bad for so long that actually it's not so bad anymore, this is normal". No it's not normal, just because it continues for a while doesn't make it normal. A business does not think this way. 



Soundwave said:

My personal feeling is the central NX hardware model is a portable console (it can function as both, hence it's a new type of game platform) with a processor in the same ball park as things like the Tegra X1 and Apple A9X chip, which are powerful but not actually that expensive for the processor.

This model they are aiming for November 2016, whether they can make that who knows, but I think they are trying hard because Wii U and 3DS (at this stage) sales are both mediocre quite honestly and they probably don't want to waste another fiscal year with just those two. 3DS needs to be replaced even if you don't think the Wii U does. 

Other more specific models (ie: maybe a home only console) may come later as 2017 and even 2018 go along but these will simply play the same games as the NX releasing in 2016 does, just maybe with better graphics (for the dedicated console). Or they may just ditch the console and go with that "supplementary add-on" that they patented for more power. 

 

I completely agree with everything you just said. Except I dont know a thing about processor choice. Though I would love to see the Wii U be  replaced this holiday it probably won't.



Soundwave said:
bigtakilla said:

Every fan base has their wrong predictions, it is (at the end of the day) all predictions.



True. 

But by the same token if you came on this board last year and said Nintendo would be making mobile games, the Wii U wasn't getting a real Animal Crossing but a spin-off low-budget Amiibo cash-in, Star Fox would be delayed, they wouldn't show any new major games at E3, oh and Metroid is getting a cartoony 3-on-3 hunters spin-off ... you'd probably be getting insults from people on this board even though what you'd be saying was all factual. 

Nintendo fans are too emotionally invested in things to make logical, level headed predictions about things. Quite often Nintendo will literally do the opposite of what fans here think.  

Even in the Wii days (back when it was Project Revolution), I remember Nintendo fans online losing their shit when Perrin Kaplan (then of NOA) casually said the Revolution would only be 2-3x the power of the GameCube. "That stupid bitch doesn't know what she's talking about! No way will Nintendo ever release an underpowered console like that!". 

The Wii U and 3DS are performing worse than I think many people here are willing to admit, Nintendo has not had hardware shipments this low for this long since the Game Boy was introduced in 1989. 

The same could be said for boards when PS3 was announced to launch at $600. Insults were being thrown around about "if you're too poor to buy a $600 console, get out of gaming" when all people were saying is that $600 was FAR too much to spend on a console for the average person. What happened? It flopped hard until it got its price down to a reasonable level.

Same could be said for Vita. It came out for around the price of a home console and the memory cards were stupid expensive. People were getting called idiots for thinking that it was far too expensive for a handheld.

Emotions also run deep for every console.

Hell, what about the people that were defending DRM and the always online Xbone? Or the people saying Kinect 2 is the future, deal with it? C'mon, quit trying to make everything a Nintendo problem.





@OP

is it too late to get a poll vote to see what people think is going to happen?