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Miyamotoo said:
Darashiva said:
I think a lot of it depends on when they will release Wii U Zelda. If it's coming near the holiday season, then I highly doubt Nintendo will put out a new console to take away attention from it. That is unless they decide to put the game on both console and announce a simultaneous release of the game for both of them, but there's been no indication of that yet.

Even so, I don't expect a new home console from Nintendo until next year at the earliest.

Zelda U port for NX is almost certain. Nintendo already done same thing with Zelda Twilight Princess.



You think it's certain because it happened one time before in a different scenario? Nintendo would gain nothing by porting a game already available through BC with no need for an extra controller.





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Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Zelda U port for NX is almost certain. Nintendo already done same thing with Zelda Twilight Princess.



You think it's certain because it happened one time before in a different scenario? Nintendo would gain nothing by porting a game already available through BC with no need for an extra controller.



 

Other than a fairly strong NX launch title which buys them extra time to make other games and perhaps an extra 2-3 million sales due to excitement of it being a launch title on a new system rather than buried on the tail end of Nintendo's worst selling home console by two country miles. 



Shiken said:
If they release NX before Holiday 2017, they will be shootibg themselves in the foot and it would be WiiU all over again. This thing needs a proper gen shift to be relevant. It will be only slightly stronger than the PS4, IF AT ALL and that won't be enough to shift momentum from PS4 OR X1 for that matter. People are going to follow their friends and that ship has sailed for the most part.

People who buy the NX if it is released too soon will consist of Ninty fans and multi console gamers. In short, the same as the ones that bought the WiiU.

The year ps4 released, there was already hardware 5x stronger, albeit much more expensive. Yet you think if something releases several years later it will barely be more powerful, if at all, because reasons. See the problem there?





oh my so many replies since my last visit. this is officially my first hit with my new account! yay

anyways, i skimmed through some responses, but im at work right now. if i have some time today, ill pop in and correct you guys on stuff.



Just to the OP's point, Nintendo not dropping the Wii U price for last holiday (officially) was more of a tacit admission that they've given up on the system.

If they were seriously planning on supporting the system robustly into 2017 ... they would have cut the price to boost the userbase and give their 2016/2017 Wii U titles a chance. 

And no, the system is not "selling well", I don't know why some people live in a bubble, it had a horrible Christmas holiday season this year (again) in the US and Europe. Japan was OK, but it's not going to sell more than 3-4 million LTD there no matter what what Nintendo does, which is mediocre.

They're not dropping the price because they know the system is a flop and the only thing worse than a flop of a system is a flop of a system that loses them money. So they're basically maximizing the most profit they can get from the Wii U because they know they won't be selling very many more of them. 



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Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
If they release NX before Holiday 2017, they will be shootibg themselves in the foot and it would be WiiU all over again. This thing needs a proper gen shift to be relevant. It will be only slightly stronger than the PS4, IF AT ALL and that won't be enough to shift momentum from PS4 OR X1 for that matter. People are going to follow their friends and that ship has sailed for the most part.

People who buy the NX if it is released too soon will consist of Ninty fans and multi console gamers. In short, the same as the ones that bought the WiiU.

Huge difference is that Wii U had so many mistakes done by Nintendo (that are well known), and only people who buyed Wii U are mostly Nintendo fans, NX probably will probably not have majority of those mistakes and Nintendo will probably aim to make far more appealing, similar to Wii.

 


Problem is they have the reputation of the WiiU shadowing over it.  They need to break that and making the same release scheduling mistake (yes it would be a mistake) will do little to prove that things are different.  Also they will never recapture the Wii audience.  That hit to the casual market was a one hit wonder as they have all moved to mobile, so targeting that audience would hold it back as well.

It wouldnt be same relase scheduling beacuse Wii U was relase only one year before PS4/X1, while NX will be relase at least 2 years before PS5/X2 and probably around 3 years, basicly in middle of generation.

They will not aim just casual market, they will aim core and casuals in same time, with Wii they aimed casuals, with Wii U they aimed core gamers, but Wii U had to many big problems to be successful and popular console.

The competitors for wii u successor will release two years later, AT MOST. there's no "casuals", that's just a term made up by haters who couldn't accept nintendo winning last generation. wii aimed at everyone, so did wii u and so will the future nintendo consoles.





Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:

It wouldnt be same relase scheduling beacuse Wii U was relase only one year before PS4/X1, while NX will be relase at least 2 years before PS5/X2 and probably around 3 years, basicly in middle of generation.

They will not aim just casual market, they will aim core and casuals in same time, with Wii they aimed casuals, with Wii U they aimed core gamers, but Wii U had to many big problems to be successful and popular console.

 


Name one mid gen release console that did remotely well.  Look at the Dreamcast, XBox original, and the WiiU.  What do they all have in common?  They all underperformed during their time.

 

As much as you may want the NX out sooner, it will be a failure if it comes out too soon.  Dance around it all you want, it won't change reality.  Mid gen releases are the horrible strategies and never work.  Facts will always outway what anyone wishes to happen.

Neither example is a "mid generation" console. That doesn't even exist.





Thunderbird77 said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
Miyamotoo said:
Shiken said:
If they release NX before Holiday 2017, they will be shootibg themselves in the foot and it would be WiiU all over again. This thing needs a proper gen shift to be relevant. It will be only slightly stronger than the PS4, IF AT ALL and that won't be enough to shift momentum from PS4 OR X1 for that matter. People are going to follow their friends and that ship has sailed for the most part.

People who buy the NX if it is released too soon will consist of Ninty fans and multi console gamers. In short, the same as the ones that bought the WiiU.

Huge difference is that Wii U had so many mistakes done by Nintendo (that are well known), and only people who buyed Wii U are mostly Nintendo fans, NX probably will probably not have majority of those mistakes and Nintendo will probably aim to make far more appealing, similar to Wii.

 


Problem is they have the reputation of the WiiU shadowing over it.  They need to break that and making the same release scheduling mistake (yes it would be a mistake) will do little to prove that things are different.  Also they will never recapture the Wii audience.  That hit to the casual market was a one hit wonder as they have all moved to mobile, so targeting that audience would hold it back as well.

It wouldnt be same relase scheduling beacuse Wii U was relase only one year before PS4/X1, while NX will be relase at least 2 years before PS5/X2 and probably around 3 years, basicly in middle of generation.

They will not aim just casual market, they will aim core and casuals in same time, with Wii they aimed casuals, with Wii U they aimed core gamers, but Wii U had to many big problems to be successful and popular console.

The competitors for wii u successor will release two years later, AT MOST. there's no "casuals", that's just a term made up by haters who couldn't accept nintendo winning last generation. wii aimed at everyone, so did wii u and so will the future nintendo consoles.



"Aiming" at a market and actually getting said market are two very different things anyway. 

And no "casuals" I don't think is a "made up" term, there are very clearly people who have a low gaming skill level (novices) and/or simply only enjoy very simple types of games and playing very moderately. And there's nothing wrong with that, I have several family members and friends who bought a Wii and never owned a game console before and likely will never be interested in buying one again. 





Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

There's no such thing as a portable console.



Which is why Nintendo will make it. Because they like to be the first to do stuff. 

There was no such thing as a touch-screen portable or a motion gaming console before 2004 and 2006. 

There is no such thing as a portable console =/= one not existing right now. the concept is impossible. A hardware will either be portable or home. How do you expect the "portable part" to work outside the home? 4g streaming? cause if the imaginary portable part is rendering it's stuff with it's own hardware, then that's not a part of a console, it's a standalone portable. meanwhile , a portable that can connect to a tv is still a portable.





Soundwave said:
Thunderbird77 said:

You think it's certain because it happened one time before in a different scenario? Nintendo would gain nothing by porting a game already available through BC with no need for an extra controller.



 

Other than a fairly strong NX launch title which buys them extra time to make other games and perhaps an extra 2-3 million sales due to excitement of it being a launch title on a new system rather than buried on the tail end of Nintendo's worst selling home console by two country miles. 

If you read my post you'd understand it's redundant to port a game already available on the platform, still being printed and always open for digital version. They just need to market the game and let people know the wii u successor is BC.