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How will Zelda U fair sales wise?

Buck the trend and be a hit? 105 75.00%
 
Follow the pattern and be... 35 25.00%
 
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JRPGfan said:
Cloudman said:
If it's Wii U only, it won't sell as well as it could, but flop? No, I don't think so at all... O:

^ this.

It ll probably sell more on the NX than on the wii u, if the NX launches and is a hit, with that zelda game as one of the launch titles.



Yeah, I think it'll def do best if it was cross-gen. It would be a good launch title while still covering the Wii U base waiting for this game.





 

              

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Cloudman said:
If it's Wii U only, it won't sell as well as it could, but flop? No, I don't think so at all... O:

Like splatoon, Mario kart 8 and others?





Its the bigger Zelda game ever and looks amazing.

Of course it will sell. 2m minimum.

Jranation said:
Yes it will flop hard! Just like Splatoon!!!!!

But seriously, like what people said, its a NEW GAME. As you can see on the internet and threads here on VGChartz, people are already HYPE on it with very less footage we have seen from it.

 

Ah good times. I still remember how people were saying it was gonna sell as badly as the W101.



If I understand, question will Zelda U (first HD, true open with biggest world ever Zelda, that is very hyped and probably biggest Nintendo game till date, and that will probably be released on NX too ) will sell more than Zelda HD port from GC!?

You trolling or what!?



Nem said:

Its the bigger Zelda game ever and looks amazing.

Of course it will sell. 2m minimum.

 

I'd raise that number If I were you.





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Thunderbird77 said:
Cloudman said:
If it's Wii U only, it won't sell as well as it could, but flop? No, I don't think so at all... O:

Like splatoon, Mario kart 8 and others?



Well, personally, I think if Zelda sales were roughly the same as those, that would be excellent! But perhaps some people are expecting better numbers than that, like maybe at least 7 mil?





 

              

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You can deduce some things from these sales trends, but certainly not any certainty that Zelda U is "destined to flop hard."

So far, sales of home console Zelda games have hit a high point every decade or so. 1986 with the original, 1998 with Ocarina, 2006 with Twilight Princess (highest point yet if you combine GC/Wii versions). Based on that evidence, and the possibility of Zelda U launching on NX too, you could just as easily argue 2016 will see the franchise hit new heights. Each peak point for the series also presented particular conditions that seem to elevate Zelda away from its more typical ~4 million range. Obviously the NES title introduced the franchise, Ocarina was (and remains) the highest rated game of all time, a return for the franchise after a 4 year gap and the series transition into 3D, and Twilight Princess was a cross-platform release and a launch title for one of the fastest selling consoles ever. These high points figure in the 6.5 to 7.6 million range, or up to 8.8m if you count both versions of TP together.

The more certain trend you can identify with home console Zelda, is that outside of remakes, and outside of Twilight Princess's GC version (overshadowed by the immensely popular Wii with TP as launch title), a new home console Zelda can sell anywhere in the 3 to 7 million range, with sales in the 4-5 million range the most common, despite the disparity in userbases on Nintendo home consoles. Sales for Adventure of Link, Link to the Past, Wind Waker and Skyward Sword are all in the 4 to 4.6 million range, despite userbases of ~60m, ~49m, ~22m, and ~100m respectively. You can also argue that if a Nintendo home console sees two Zelda games, the latter title will sell fewer copies than the first Zelda title. This hypothesis has not been tested against remakes, and I see no reason why we can assume Zelda U will sell less than HD remasters.

On portables, this argument might hold more ground. 'New' portable Zelda titles sell in the 1.4 to 5.1 million range, whilst remakes have sold in the 2.2 to 3.8 million range. I should point out that Phantom Hourglass stands alone at the top-end of portable Zelda sales, with the more typical range being 2-4 million for portable Zelda. Importantly, every portable Zelda remake bar Majora's Mask 3D (the second remake on 3DS, and the worst selling home console Zelda) have outsold new portable Zeldas on their system. This trend, of remakes outselling new Zelda titles, is restricted to portable Zelda titles, which have a lower range of sales than home console Zelda titles, with both their high point and their low points being below the series' typical range on home consoles. Further more, there are several conditions that one should take into account when considering the success of Zelda remakes on portables. Two of the remakes were of two 'fan favourite' games, LttP and OOT, which are revered widely in the gaming community. The sales of Link's Awakening DX are also quite close to that of both Oracle games (300k), suggesting a fairly stable Zelda fanbase on portable systems at the time (1999-2001). 


There is no evidence, as of yet, that home console remakes damage the sales of new home console Zelda titles, because we have yet to see a new Zelda title launch after a remake on any home console. The trend is prevalent on portables, but even then, portable Zelda hits a lower range than home console Zelda, suggesting the series is stronger on home consoles comparative to portables. Based on the evidence I've seen, I would say that a Wii U only Zelda U would sell 4 to 4.5 million copies, based on the strength of Nintendo's top tier franchises on Wii U and historic figures for new home console Zelda titles. Cross-platform Zelda is difficult to predict, but, if it does happen, it may be another "once in a decade-ish" event for the series. A strong NX launch could carry Zelda U's total sales into the ~7 million range the franchises' top titles have experienced, and I would assume similarly to TP, the bulk of these sales would come from the new system. Based on what we do know so far, Zelda U also occupies some of the territory commanded by the franchises' previous high points: a large overworld, and Link on horseback. Tenuous, but they fit the more 'classic' Zelda image etched into mainstream gaming culture.

TLDR: Portable Zelda shows a trend of remakes selling better than new Zelda titles on the same format, home console Zelda shows no such trends and suggests Zelda Wii U could sell anywhere in the 3-7 m range depending on cross-platform possibility (if successful NX launch title, higher sales likely), with single format Zelda U most likely to sell 4 to 4.5 million copies based on historical precedent regardless of userbase size and strong attach rates for top Nintendo titles on Wii U.



Thanks for that reply and your analysis Asriel.

Some very good points put forward.

You say 'Portable Zelda shows a trend of remakes selling better than new Zelda titles on the same format, home console Zelda shows no such trends', my point its this is the first time we've had a new title follow a remake on home consoles, which is why I've asked the question.

For what its worth I think it'll buck the trend. I was just interested in seeing what others thought.

Then again, maybe we'll have a TP situation and like you say 'similarly to TP, the bulk of these sales would come from the new system'. In that scenario the Wii U version could sell poorly and continue this pattern with the game still being a huge success on NX and thus overall.

Should have put that option in the poll. Damn it!



Lol! But I'm not allowed to call you "xy".

Zelda Wii U will sell at least 3 million units.



retroking1981 said:

For those saying its a new game compared to the two HD remakes that precede it, what about ALttP beating out the all new MC on GBA?  Or OoT3D selling more than ALBW? They still back this trend up.

Seriously. If this game comes only on Wii U, do you really believe it is going to sell less than 1.5M?





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