I don't care if Jesus Christ says it, unless you can show me where a handheld is listed amoung first generation CONSOLES, then the 3DS and Vita can't be eight generation. As far as I know, the first handheld to have seperate carts was Microvision, and that came out when home consoles were in the second gen. So even if you shift the goal posts with everything you have, the 3DS could only be seventh generation.

But, of course, lumping handhelds with home consoles is like lumping motorcycles with automobiles. But, it seems we're leaving logic and common sense off the table right now so, I won't even bother.

Can u please take this argument elsewhere, it's getting off topic and my criteria is devices that are concurrently on the market as Nintendo's flagship products, if u want to classify consoles & handhelds as separate generations thats fine but this is not the place to be having this argument.

i agree with spokentruth's idea that they are in the same generation. i see your point about how the handhelds have their own generations, i really do see the logic there. but for practical and, well.. common sense purposes, its better to think of them in the same generation. like.. generation 8 includes wii u, ps4, x1, 3ds and vita. nintendo is currently supporting the wii u and 3ds in this generation. the 8th generation is defined by systems and games that are released or coming out between the years 2012/2013 until 2018/19 or whenever the next round of consoles is out. i mean, thats just the way it is and the only one who is moving goal posts around is you, im sorry to say.

If you were simply adding up Nintendo's IP across both platforms and providing 1 million sellers, the title of the thread and wording of the original post should have reflected as such. It should have been "List of 3DS/Wii-U 1 million sellers". 

Well many including myself consider 3DS to be an 8th generation device and don't segregate consoles from handhelds, so I'm sticking with the title, nobody has had any problem with it other than u, so just drop it and accept that others don't agree you.

the point of these threads is to compare the current million sellers of all the major publishers on the current platforms. its as simple as that. i dont understand what your problem is with including the 3ds and the vita in generation 8. what difference does it make?

So you think Vita is competeting against Xbox One? What about 3DS vs PS4? You honestly think that in the offices of Redmond, they're discussing how their 3DS can further compete against PS4?

Ever since handhelds became popularized, they have been in their own category. They're portable, they're completely different tech (usually much weak and more than one generation behind). They sell to mostly different demographics and consumers (Wii-U has sold 12 million, 3DS 50 million)... these companies knows this and it's why Sega had a Game Gear and Nintendo had a Gameboy. Game Gear was NOT competeing against NES or SNES. It was competeing against Gameboy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQ1fP7dNEE

See that Game Gear commercial? What is the fat kid playing playing? A SNES? No... he's playing a Gameboy. What are they talking about in the commercial? How the Gameboy doesn't have color and the Game Gear does. That's because ever since the Gameboy, there has been two market. The handheld market and the home console market. They are clearly defined and seperate. If they weren't, you'd see companies advertising their handhelds against home consoles. 

You don't see that.

You are a die hard Nintendo fan and that's why you want to put them together because you know Wii-U wouldn't have enough to look good on a spread sheet. I am a huge fan of Nintendo myself. I was playing their games before you were even born, but I'm not going to let my adoration for their software dictate my thought process when it comes to their success. 

As I said before, the 3DS is the number one handheld on the market. It murdered the Vita. Nintendo has won five consecutive generations of handhelds. They have created some of the best portable software the industry has ever seen... kings, if you will. They are undefeated. 

That SHOULD be enough for someone like you but no, we have the issue of Wii-U and we don't like it, so we have to try to merge products together to create a reality that we would rather be living in. It's totally illogical.

the rest of your post lies not only on the assumption that same generation=competition, but that for two devices to be in the same generation, they must necessarily be competing against eachother. i think a better definition of what is in the same generation is time period. all these devices are contemporaries of eachother, and to me, that sticks it in the same generation above all else. what youre saying is that competition is what sticks it in the same generation above all else, and i dont agree with that.

bolded: he got you, zorg. he pulled the "ive been playing nintendo since before you were born" card. you lose. sorry, thats just the way it is.

lol

anyways, sorry that i keep responding to your posts. i dont want you to feel ganged up on by a bunch of rabid nintendo apologists, but im also on the side of what makes more sense, what the truth is, what logic says, etc. so in that sense, im completely on your side. the 3ds and wii u are nintendo's current platforms. these are the games that they published that sold over a million on those platforms. there is a thread for sony and what they have published on the vita and ps4. and there is microsoft with the xbox one. and then you have third parties, which would include games from all 5 systems. its completely fair and in this sense, all five systems are part of this same generation. they are all the currently supported devices.