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PerturbedKitty on 14 January 2016
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AlfredoTurkey said:
PerturbedKitty said:

i agree with spokentruth's idea that they are in the same generation. i see your point about how the handhelds have their own generations, i really do see the logic there. but for practical and, well.. common sense purposes, its better to think of them in the same generation. like.. generation 8 includes wii u, ps4, x1, 3ds and vita. nintendo is currently supporting the wii u and 3ds in this generation. the 8th generation is defined by systems and games that are released or coming out between the years 2012/2013 until 2018/19 or whenever the next round of consoles is out. i mean, thats just the way it is and the only one who is moving goal posts around is you, im sorry to say.

 

So you think Vita is competeting against Xbox One? What about 3DS vs PS4? You honestly think that in the offices of Redmond, they're discussing how their 3DS can further compete against PS4?

no, youre right about this. the handhelds are more direct competitors and the consoles are more direct competitors. this is true.. but, you'd be intellectually dishonest to say that nobody has ever bought a 3ds instead of a ps4. at the end of the day, people are deciding what video game to spend their money on, and ps4s are sitting on the shelves not too far away from 3DSs. 

what you are doing here is equating competition to same generation. im a bit on the fence when it comes to this. does competition=same generation? i dont know, maybe. but i wouldnt jump to that conclusion.

Ever since handhelds became popularized, they have been in their own category. They're portable, they're completely different tech (usually much weak and more than one generation behind). They sell to mostly different demographics and consumers (Wii-U has sold 12 million, 3DS 50 million)... these companies knows this and it's why Sega had a Game Gear and Nintendo had a Gameboy. Game Gear was NOT competeing against NES or SNES. It was competeing against Gameboy. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVQ1fP7dNEE

See that Game Gear commercial? What is the fat kid playing playing? A SNES? No... he's playing a Gameboy. What are they talking about in the commercial? How the Gameboy doesn't have color and the Game Gear does. That's because ever since the Gameboy, there has been two market. The handheld market and the home console market. They are clearly defined and seperate. If they weren't, you'd see companies advertising their handhelds against home consoles. 

You don't see that.

the rest of your post lies not only on the assumption that same generation=competition, but that for two devices to be in the same generation, they must necessarily be competing against eachother. i think a better definition of what is in the same generation is time period. all these devices are contemporaries of eachother, and to me, that sticks it in the same generation above all else. what youre saying is that competition is what sticks it in the same generation above all else, and i dont agree with that.