Nope, I didn't say every game should look like the Order, I didn't even say that I would only play or value games that look like it.

But you said like only 60fps are worth... Every game is a matter of resources... So if a game can be 1080p30fps or 720p60fps more times I'll choose the first option. And if a game would be 1080p60fps it probably is cutting on other IQ itens. I will choose what I preffer based on the intended game, several times 60fps doesn't matter, and how do we know that? We have been playing 30fps games without much hassle in diverse genres for several gen. But sure, you must know the prefference for everyone and how much better 60fps is that no one can play bellow it or think the gain is negible and preffer the resources are used in other places, and because of that your rule should be definitive and everyone need to adhere.

Human senses arent perfect so a game which will always rely on your senses can never be perfect yes but the can be bug free.

And for those that ran into issues I;m sure they didn't exist or don't matter, again whenever I see someone running into a bug or error you're always and I mean always going to be met with Joe bloggs who goes "huh I never had this bug" in a topic board about solving bug problems. Just because you or someone else didn't run into any doesn't mean the game is factucally the most perfect product in all of existence.

I know you didn't give them a free pass because I was there reading the articles and the forum topics on F4 when you had your left and rights with them, the thing is even though Beth games clearly aren't perfect (or to a form two of you on here are comfortable with), people still enjoy them and regard them as good games and of course on a platform like PC you can mod those out at times or work around them which makes such a method valid (because PC can do it and consoles can't doesn't make it any less valid).

EH I find the first Crysis has aged somewhat, with TO you have advanced character models, lip and bodily movement from the year it was crafted while Crysis was way back into last gen times. Reflection is still nice to look at (I;m actually a sucker for water and it's physics in most games). Crysis 1 still looks the partk, at least compared to 2 and then 3 (apparently 3 is weaker than the series according to fan speak I've learned over the years and I can't think of why).

I do get the point, it's that I don't agree with it all that much, yes I see it as a showcase but a showcase for what the consoles could do this gen or the next, for PC we just have to wait for the enxt Crysis type game to come around and that is looking to be shared between KCD, SC and Eve Valkyrie. With PC you don't really need a showcase from a console exclusive game because we already know what the PC is capable of because at the end of the day it's technically down to you to meet what the game asks, with a console you don't need to adhere to any sort of demand, that's what the console creators have to adhere to and they have to for a number of years and when we get a game like TO we see the results of what can happen now and what we can expect in the future.

See I can admit TO looks great and has the sound and looks about it, the same goes for Battlefront, the engine blows my mind how detailed the forests of Endor or how real the ice looks like on Hoth, the sound is nailed almost to a T but the gameplay modes and lack of SP or any other story just makes the game fall short and I guess when we look into TO it's story somehow fell a bit short for some reviewers to warrant a score, some picking on sound literally sounds silly to me.

I do think Sony should take a stab at making a move based on TO, that way if they make it all CGI and make another installment, the two could easily go hand in hand and create immersion since one is borrowing film elements while the other is actually a film itself (I thought that's what most film game devs were wanting to reach anyway).

As for SC, I'm mostly drawn to it's SP experience due to having actors like Gary Oldman, Mark Hamill, Gillian Anderson and Andy Serkis. I will give the MP portion of the game a try though but only with people I know absed on how insurance for your ships works with the game (I'd rather not lose my ships since GTA V taught me that randoms love to ruin your fancy vehicles and know you have to pay high insurance).

The thing is, even for PCs games that look like SC, EV, KCD, The Order or Crysis (on its own time) are very rare, theyre all showcases of the future, on PC case not realy a gen further cause PCs dont have actual gens, but how many ppl could run Crysis and make it look like it was suposed to look when it released. Even many years after it released we still have more game sthat dont look like that than games that dont. I believe that a game that manages to be this far ahead of its time technically should have its merits.

Oh yeah we do have less crysis looking games out there for sure but the thing for those games is that they don't come cheap and require time and good dev teams and we really don't get many of those that pull off crysis/TO games a lot of the time, if they could then we'd see a lot more these days, some devs don't even see good visuals as having to focus on real based styles which is why the indie scene that boomed over the past 5 years has largely kept focus with unique art styles or various engines old and new.

Batlefront is gorgoues as hell, thats a fact. One of the most beautfull games Ive sean. I dindt play much of it tough, only a bit at my friends, my dislike of FPSs would make it empossible for me to realy like it anyway.

I play it daily though the PC version's community is basically on deaths door and it's not the fault of the users that's caused such an issue to happen but due to the gameplay, lack of sp, lack of an actual server browser etc. I still play like I said but it gets tedious trying to find matches but when I do get in some I do always stop a moment to admire some of the scenery.

I believe you meant a movie ? Ye that could work but I doubt itd draw enought interest to be profitable, itd be a mature movie and the fact that its an animation would be associated with somethign for kids, when it relay isnt, and them parent wouldnt understand why it wasnt for kids and stuf.

Well TO has those black bars which basically stem from the film industry, TO also borrowed some camera work and looks they implimented with the game and in general it gives off a very movie esque look and feel to it (as opposed to tie in move games that are based from movies themselves). I feel that if Sony went via a CGI route and used a studio like Ready at Dawn to work on the movie and use RAD to work on the game, the two could make a seamless franchise where you are immersed in both the game and the movie, when you leave the cinema you switch on your PS4 and jump right back in but at a different time and place from the movie but still tied to events that will or have occured in the movie. That's the sort of thing we haven't really seen with video games, most movie tie in based games have their own made up plot and use not so great devs which is why those games end up flopping.

A point which is sad we have to praise. MGS5 is also an example but nobody talks about it. And I too fear it is Xbots and Nintendy's who are attacking this game. Reviewers go with popular opinio these days or whatever the personalities are praising. Halo 5, 4 hour story...Where is the justice there...