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Emperorbach on 11 January 2016
Azuren said:
binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.

Ha.

 

Driving drunk isn't self-harm, it's putting oneself in harm's way. Just like being an attractive and drunk teenage girl around a bunch of drunk teenage boys.

 


>.> irrc drunk teenage boys shouldnt be rapists



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MikeRox on 11 January 2016
RadiantDanceMachine said:
binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.

This is a joke right?

 

It's just naively idealistic.

 

While women should be free to wear whatever they want and get as inebriated as they want and absolutely nothing bad should happen, it sadly is important that they are aware of the dangers they are potentially putting themselves in.

 

This isn't victim blaming. Rape is NEVER the victims fault and 100% of blame should always lie with the perpetrator. However it doesn't mean that there aren't decisions an individual can make to help keep themselves safe.

 

Ideally you also shouldn't have to lock your door, not show off expensive items in public etc to help protect yourself from crime.



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bdbdbd on 11 January 2016
binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.

 

Let's put the things into right context. Imagine if it was fire safety in question. Would you blame someone for accidentally burning him/herself dead? He/she might have all the moral and legal right smoke in bed while drunk, should've he/she been more careful? If it's not the person in question to blame, then who is? 

What is a persons responsibility of ones own well-being? What do you teach your own kids? No need to worry about anything; if you get raped, murdered and raped again, it's the fault of the rapist/murderer? Or do you teach your kids try not to get in a situation where he/she could get raped and murdered?



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DonFerrari on 11 January 2016

I could show how much fuck I don't give... but the video is moronic, and fortunately I never behaved in anyway or would educate my soon or saw similar behaviour that wasn't reflex of equivalent behaviour by women against men



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RadiantDanceMachine on 11 January 2016
MikeRox said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

This is a joke right?

 

It's just naively idealistic.

 

While women should be free to wear whatever they want and get as inebriated as they want and absolutely nothing bad should happen, it sadly is important that they are aware of the dangers they are potentially putting themselves in.

 

This isn't victim blaming. Rape is NEVER the victims fault and 100% of blame should always lie with the perpetrator. However it doesn't mean that there aren't decisions an individual can make to help keep themselves safe.

 

Ideally you also shouldn't have to lock your door, not show off expensive items in public etc to help protect yourself from crime.

We've moved well beyond naive idealism into one of the fantasy worlds of Lois Lowry.

Bubble wrap the world so the drunk guy can't die from waltzing onto the highway.

I have the exact opposite view. Let nature take its course so these morons can't procreate.





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binary solo on 11 January 2016
Azuren said:
binary solo said:

Worse than that. That was drawing a parallel between a self-inflicted harm (crashing while driving drunk) and being the victim of a heinous crime. It's a vile and disgusting comparison.

The problem is we should be aiming to live in a society where someone who has drunken or drugged themselves into almost total incapacity is guranteed to be safe from any criminal interefereance. Yet those who say there is some fault on the part of the victim in these situations seem to be saying that they are quite fine with a society where safety can't be assumed and so one cannot hold the violator to be 100% responsible for any act of violence rape or abuse of someone who is too drunk / drugged to be able to defend herself or even say no.

Ha.

 

Driving drunk isn't self-harm, it's putting oneself in harm's way. Just like being an attractive and drunk teenage girl around a bunch of drunk teenage boys.

But you said you can't get mad if you crash. Crashing = self-inflicted harm, you might not be injured if you're lucky, but you sure as shit injured financially. hence self-inflicted harm. Which in no way can be equated to being raped while drunk. You can sure as shit get justifiably mad as hell if you get raped while drunk.





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Azuren on 11 January 2016
Emperorbach said:
Azuren said:

Ha.

 

Driving drunk isn't self-harm, it's putting oneself in harm's way. Just like being an attractive and drunk teenage girl around a bunch of drunk teenage boys.

 


>.> irrc drunk teenage boys shouldnt be rapists

And people shouldn't steal cars, but you still lock yours doors when you're in the city. 



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Azuren on 11 January 2016
binary solo said:
Azuren said:

Ha.

 

Driving drunk isn't self-harm, it's putting oneself in harm's way. Just like being an attractive and drunk teenage girl around a bunch of drunk teenage boys.

But you said you can't get mad if you crash. Crashing = self-inflicted harm, you might not be injured if you're lucky, but you sure as shit injured financially. hence self-inflicted harm. Which in no way can be equated to being raped while drunk. You can sure as shit get justifiably mad as hell if you get raped while drunk.

You're taking too many parts of my analogy literally, so let me rephrase in a simple way that you can't corrupt:

 

If you do stupid shit and put yourself in dangerous situations, then bad shit becomes more likely to happen. It's called risk, and drinking til you're shitfaced while surrounded by other shitfaced people is inviting disaster.



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A_C_E on 11 January 2016
binary solo said:

But feminists don't get those first 2 stats fudged. It's just that those stats are not the sociological problem they are focussing on. Their focus is on male-female interactions and not just in relation to violence and abuse, but also in relation to social and economic status. In terms of violence and abuse its about the fact that in the overwhelming majority of inter-sex violence and sexual violence the woman / girl is the victim, in the case of verbal abuse women are more often the victim too. There is no indication that feminists deny that male-male violence isn't relevant in regard to the overall prevalence of violence in society, or that women being verbally abusive to women is all harmless banter. It's just not the job of the feminist movement to address those issues directly. 

And as you say, few / no feminists think all men are rapists. But I think that one of the first things that will come into a woman's mind if she is alone on an empty the street and she sees a man walking towards her is "is this guy going to try to rape me." And it's the notion that this is a very prevalent thought in women's minds under such circumstances that leads to the "all men are rapists" concept. It's not a true statement when taken at literal face value, and it's not spoken as a true statement in that way, it is spoken as a contextual thought process.

Yeah, I see it that way as well. I agree. But a woman wondering if they are going to get raped down a dark alley is no different than, "is that black guy going to rob me down that dark alley". It's not a true statement like you said, it's our instincts kicking in. Its ok if our minds wander but to actually state someones intentions based off a dark location then you've invited ignorance into your view.



A_C_E on 11 January 2016
Azuren said:
A_C_E said:

1. Correct

2. Correct

3. Correct, but I'm pretty positive that most women don't view most men as rapists, unless you have data to prove otherwise. I point this out because judging from your earlier posts you seem to just generalize a population with no data to back it up.

 

Right, my bad, I meant to put Feminist, but I got carried away with all the gender pronouns. 

That's not your only bad. Hypocrisy seems to exist in your verbal parameters. You make it seem like all feminists view all men as rapists. This is a hypocritical statement if you were to follow through with this sentiment. Unless you think otherwise of course, I will give you the benefit of the doubt but you come off as a hypocritical person.  This video (although completely wrong) does not label all men as rapists and neither do all feminists.