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SvennoJ on 09 January 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Yeah, I don't buy that chart linked showing the viewing distance required to notice the difference between 4k and 1080p. Just go to any electronics retailer, even the cheapo Hisense 4k TV's at Walmart. If they're streaming native 4k content, you can be 20 feet away and still see a clear difference between it and the other stuff, which they pipe in at 1080i. The idea that outside of 5 feet on a 55 inch TV you won't see the difference is just incorrect.

It works even better at places like Frys or Best Buy or Star Power where they have higher end stuff in display showing real content.

That said, a budget 4k TV is still a good buy imho just to be ready. They're dropping so fast in price, by the time 4k becomes standard they'll be ridiculous cheap and then you can upgrade again cheap.

That's because the 1080p content is shit. At least at my local Best Buy it is. They show standard HD cable on the 1080p tvs, which is at most 7 mbps mpeg2 1080i. The 4K tvs have their own high bandwidth demo material, made to look as best as possible.
The high end OLED 1080p tvs running blu-rays almost look just as good as the demo 4K content, and have better contrast. Ofcourse those high end OLEDs are more expensive than most of the 4K tvs... It's all apples and oranges in those stores.

I would like to see 4K netflix running side by side on a 1080p and a 4K tv in a store for a real comparison. Or 4k blu-ray when it's finally available.
Downsampling 4K content to 1080p should look pretty damn good as well.

Anyway for 4K tv, just make sure it has HDMI 2.0 (dunno if they're still trying to dump the old ones with HDMI 1.4) and a 10 bit color panel so it's not just 4 standard 1080p panels stitched together.



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hershel_layton on 09 January 2016
ganoncrotch said:
SvennoJ said:
hershel_layton said:
 

Well, let's be realistic here. Of course the projectors are in the thousands.

 

Smart 4k TV's have just gotten an average of under 1000 dollars(for a maximum of around 60 inches). Projectors are a whole different levels. LG is currently making many projectors. 8k will most likely come by the time of 2018-2020. By then, a 4k projector should be around 500-1000 dollars(or more if you love spending cash)

My Sharp Aquos 52D62U 52" 1080p tv was $4500 in 2006
My Panasonic PT-AE1000U 1080p projector was $4600 in 2007

It wasn't on a whole different level with 1080p. Projectors are lagging behind when it comes to 4K. They should be in the $4000 range now.
Btw, damn checking my bills, the heck was I doing back then. At least there was already plenty stuff available for 1080p, and I was a whole lot more excited about 1080p than 4K currently. Both still work great, although the tv has developed a slight striping effect with monochrome backgrounds (Journey highlights the problem) and projector lamps don't last that long.

This is the exact issue against "future proofing" when it comes to something like a screen, I'm sure those screens have done you very very well for the previous generation but the sad fact of the matter is that now in 2016 1080p is still not the norm when it comes to console gaming at least and technology at least the very cutting edge stuff is not going to have a 10+ year life. If you were to invest in a super top of the line 4k TV right now in the hopes that you'll be using it with your ps5 in 2020-2025? The chances are that System might not even support the resolution fully in games, even if it does, your 2015 TV would be missing features left, right and centre compared to far more affordable models coming out in 2025. All of this is of course if your top of the line TV from today hasn't died in some way during the next 10 years.

Too big a block of text... eerrr... I'm not a fan of Future proofing, far more of buying for the now and enjoying it then.

 

People who spend more than 1k on TV's are wasting cash. Unless you can afford it, I see no reason to(still a waste. I hate wasting money if there's no reason for doing so).

 

Had a 50 inch 1080p TV for about 5 years(extremely cheap. Only around 600 dollars). Decided to get a 50 inch 4k TV a while ago(only 900ish). I honestly got 4k just for the fact that the 1080p version was only 100 dollars cheaper. 



 

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Guitarguy on 09 January 2016
bigtakilla said:
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:

If it isn't 4k and at least 60hz, then no.

 


Why would you need a 4k TV when all current consoles only support 1080P at best? We are talking specifically about gaming here.

Do you not think any of the next gen consoles will even dabble in the 4k gaming zone? I do, and even if the next consoles release 5 or 6 years after PS4 or Xbone that's only 3 or 4 years away.

*EDIT* Note that I am NOT by any means saying 4k will be the standard, but they systems will support 4K,and there will be a handful of them.

 

Maybe some indie games. I vaguely remember the specs of the PS4 and Xbox 1 stating 4k would only be possible natively for images and blu-ray, not gaming. I could be wrong on this. Also, current games have a hard enough time processing 1080P, let alone 4k(2160P if you want to get technical).

I personally do NOT see it happening this gen other than in independent games that lack the visual prowess of AAA games. If at all.

And what about PS5 and XBtwo? Should be releasing around 2018 or 2019.

 

There will be much better TVs by then. I would think the PS5 and Xbox 2 could do 4k by then, although I think we will see those consoles in 2020.



AlfredoTurkey on 10 January 2016

Until there comes a day where they can invent a TV that can handle both SD and HD signals flawlessly, there is no such thing as a perfect TV for gaming. Right now, a gamer needs a good CRT and a good HDTV if they want to game because anything older than 2005 looks like absolute ass on even the highest end HDTV.



Guitarguy on 10 January 2016
AlfredoTurkey said:
Until there comes a day where they can invent a TV that can handle both SD and HD signals flawlessly, there is no such thing as a perfect TV for gaming. Right now, a gamer needs a good CRT and a good HDTV if they want to game because anything older than 2005 looks like absolute ass on even the highest end HDTV.

 


False. Component cables(Red, Green and Blue) for PS2/original Xbox/Gamecube make those consoles look amazing on HDTVs, certainly much better than on CRT where they run at 480i at best. Dreamcast supports VGA which is capable of native 480P on HDTVs, something that is impossible on CRT via composite(red, white and yellow). The Saturn, PS1, SNES, Genesis, Jaguar, Master System all natively support RGB SCART also which is much cleaner than composite but you need a good Scart-to-HDMI upscaler. The N64, NES and 3D0 have to be internally modified for RGB SCART. All these options look much better on HDTVs than on CRT.



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Metal Man on 10 January 2016
Guitarguy said:
False. Component cables(Red, Green and Blue) for PS2/original Xbox/Gamecube make those consoles look amazing on HDTVs, certainly much better than on CRT where they run at 480i at best. Dreamcast supports VGA which is capable of native 480P on HDTVs, something that is impossible on CRT via composite(red, white and yellow). The Saturn, PS1, SNES, Genesis, Jaguar, Master System all natively support RGB SCART also which is much cleaner than composite but you need a good Scart-to-HDMI upscaler. The N64, NES and 3D0 have to be internally modified for RGB SCART. All these options look much better on HDTVs than on CRT.

 480p on an HD CRT is better than a flat panel.  That's why I use 3 TVs for my game systems.  SD CRT is for 240p and 480i content.  HD CRT for 480p.  1080p plasma for HD content.





Guitarguy on 10 January 2016

 Sony made RGB CRT TVs(Sony BVM-20F1U ) in the late 90's that look amazing but are small in size(25 inch maximum I believe), are bulky and expensive. It is said(I don't own one) to be the best option for RGB Scart consoles, with the X-RGB Mini upscaler being the second best unless you want to game on a big TV, where the X-RGB Mini is the better option.



Anyone want to guess which is RGB and which is Composite? Same HDTV.



hershel_layton on 10 January 2016
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:

If it isn't 4k and at least 60hz, then no.

 


Why would you need a 4k TV when all current consoles only support 1080P at best? We are talking specifically about gaming here.

Do you not think any of the next gen consoles will even dabble in the 4k gaming zone? I do, and even if the next consoles release 5 or 6 years after PS4 or Xbone that's only 3 or 4 years away.

*EDIT* Note that I am NOT by any means saying 4k will be the standard, but they systems will support 4K,and there will be a handful of them.

 

Maybe some indie games. I vaguely remember the specs of the PS4 and Xbox 1 stating 4k would only be possible natively for images and blu-ray, not gaming. I could be wrong on this. Also, current games have a hard enough time processing 1080P, let alone 4k(2160P if you want to get technical).

I personally do NOT see it happening this gen other than in independent games that lack the visual prowess of AAA games. If at all.

And what about PS5 and XBtwo? Should be releasing around 2018 or 2019.

 

There will be much better TVs by then. I would think the PS5 and Xbox 2 could do 4k by then, although I think we will see those consoles in 2020.

Lol no way. If they still struggle to get a consistent 1080p@60FPS(or even 30!), what makes you think gamers will want it at 4k? 

The PS4(which is the most powerful current console) struggles to even keep 30 frames per second with fallout. There are times where it can reach 18-22 FPS just with 1080p.

 

No way they will be able to support 4K soon. Unless you want horrible frames, then no one will want it. Besides, 1080p is not even that horrible looking. In terms of gaming, what really makes a game shine is visuals, shading, and other things that the game developer does, not the resolution. Oh, and 60 FPS will help make everything look smoother. But unfortunately, people keep demanding better resolution, which is why we can't have smooth 60FPS gameplay





 

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bigtakilla on 10 January 2016
Guitarguy said:



I personally do NOT see it happening this gen other than in independent games that lack the visual prowess of AAA games. If at all.

And what about PS5 and XBtwo? Should be releasing around 2018 or 2019.

 

There will be much better TVs by then. I would think the PS5 and Xbox 2 could do 4k by then, although I think we will see those consoles in 2020.

Much better? How so? Bigger models might be cheaper, but what if you don't want to buy a $800 tv now and again in 2018? Not many people are going to want to do that.





bigtakilla on 10 January 2016
hershel_layton said:
Guitarguy said:
bigtakilla said:

 

There will be much better TVs by then. I would think the PS5 and Xbox 2 could do 4k by then, although I think we will see those consoles in 2020.

Lol no way. If they still struggle to get a consistent 1080p@60FPS(or even 30!), what makes you think gamers will want it at 4k? 

The PS4(which is the most powerful current console) struggles to even keep 30 frames per second with fallout. There are times where it can reach 18-22 FPS just with 1080p.

 

No way they will be able to support 4K soon. Unless you want horrible frames, then no one will want it. Besides, 1080p is not even that horrible looking. In terms of gaming, what really makes a game shine is visuals, shading, and other things that the game developer does, not the resolution. Oh, and 60 FPS will help make everything look smoother. But unfortunately, people keep demanding better resolution, which is why we can't have smooth 60FPS gameplay

Agreed. Next gen fighting games and hallway style cinematic experiences (like The Order, or Ryse) might hit 4k, but it certainly won't be standard.