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3sexty on 08 January 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Protendo said:

This method is not mathematically sound.

It's based on an analyst's projection. If that wasn't enough to consider this iffy the analstys projects are based on unverified sources.

I have more faith in Zhuge's estimates.

Who is Zhuge ?.

He is a legend, the most powerful known Sorcerer in the art of console sale countery.. He lives in the enchanted forests deep beyond the valleys and mountains. It will take you 3 weeks to reach him on horse. I've heard the trek there can be very treacherous. Not many have made it back to tell the tale of the latest console numbers.





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ZhugeEX on 08 January 2016
3sexty said:
Swordmasterman said:

Who is Zhuge ?.

He is a legend, the most powerful known Sorcerer in the art of console sale countery.. He lives in the enchanted forests deep beyond the valleys and mountains. It will take you 3 weeks to reach him on horse. I've heard the trek there can be very treacherous. Not many have made it back to tell the tale of the latest console numbers.

 

Interesting description of me haha. 

 

But anyway. I think a lot of this has been summed up in the posts above but I just want to provide some clarity around these numbers and how we should be reading into them. 

Microsoft confirmed that over 200 million active devices are now running Windows 10. This number is calculated by counting how many devices running Windows 10 have been "active" in the last 28 days. A simple switching on of a device during this period = active device.

The official statement is that over 200  million active devices are now running Windows 10. No break down is given in the official PR. 

Mary Jo Foley is an analyst who has worked for over 30 years covering Microsoft and their business divisions. She heard from an unconfirmed source that of the 200 million devices there were 'around 18 million' Xbox One's.

 

So what does this mean in the context-

1. It is an unverified source, not an official announcement. 

2. It is trusted by Mary Jo Foley who is a trusted analyst who doesn't usually report incorrect information.

3. It is the number of active Xbox One's running Windows 10. 

4. Microsoft force all users to upgrade to Windows 10 when you log in to your Xbox One. 

5. The official definition of this 'around 18 million' is active devices used at least once in the last 28 days.

 

How should this number be used?

As it's not an official number it should not be quoted as fact. Also the number talks about active consoles and not unit sales. We can not confidently say that the Xbox One has sold over 18 million but if this source is to be believed then it is likely that it is over 18 million. 

Therefore the above 5 points should be kept in mind when quoting this number or using it to work out sales figures. 

To date there is no official sell through or sell in number from Microsoft. 



AsGryffynn on 08 January 2016
JRPGfan said:
Barozi said:

starting at 08:50

"I can tell you what one source told me and I can't verify this [...] around 18 million Xbox Ones".

That's 18 million monthly active Xbox Ones users btw. since MS revealed 200m monthly active users an, so there are definitely no offline consoles counted towards that number.

So even if its just a rumor she has a source that knows the actual numbers and told here the sales.

Good enough for me, VGC is slightly overtracking the XB1 then.

 

JRPGfan said:
CGI-Quality said:
JRPGfan said:
Barozi said:

- snip

So even if its just a rumor she has a source that knows the actual numbers and told here the sales.

Good enough for me, VGC is slightly overtracking the XB1 then.

18m is probably too low, considering no offline units were counted. Thus, I'm thinking it's closer to 19 million sold by Jan 3rd, which means we'd could be overtracking it by a good 4-500K after next week's numbers arive.

So you think theres about 800,000 Xbox ones, that people have bought but havnt ever hooked up to the internet?

Let the downplay start anew!

Barozi said:
JRPGfan said:

I honestly think the number of people that buy a console and dont hook it up these days are much lower than that.

IMO this means XBox One is overtracked by more than 500k here.

Again you're missing the part where it says "monthly active users".

That doesn't mean that those people never hooked it up to the internet. The people that aren't included in the 18m number just weren't online with them during December.

Oh boy, this so much!

Conina said:
BraLoD said:
janedoe said:

most of you guys missing some important points

- the fist rumors about this figure are from 29th December
so this numbers is probably as of week 52 and does not even include week 5 december sales (which would be kind low anyway, but it adds up)
- there are OVER 200 million Windows 10 active devices. breakdown is about ~180m pcs / tablets ~18m xbox and over 1m phones
so it's possible or even likely that the 18m is not rounded up, but rounded down.
- this numbers is active unique devices in the last 28 days / 4 weeks
so it does not include people who did not use theire xbox in the last 28 days, did not upgrade to new xbox expericene, or do not use theire xbox one online


so if you believe Mary jo foley's sources (and she is one of, if not the, most reliable microsoft insiders) the xbox one is at 18m sold through minimum, but could be even close to, or above 20m
solid sales for sure

What about XBOX 360 users? Isn't it added up with XBOX ONE? It's certainly not PCs or Tablets, also not a small number.

Was there an Windows 10 update for the Xbox360?

PowerPC and x86 do not get along...

3sexty said:
Swordmasterman said:

Who is Zhuge ?.

He is a legend, the most powerful known Sorcerer in the art of console sale countery.. He lives in the enchanted forests deep beyond the valleys and mountains. It will take you 3 weeks to reach him on horse. I've heard the trek there can be very treacherous. Not many have made it back to tell the tale of the latest console numbers.

Bitch please, he lives in Skyrim. He takes odd jobs to pay the rent so he can keep track of consoles sold...





3sexty on 08 January 2016
ZhugeEX said:
3sexty said:

He is a legend, the most powerful known Sorcerer in the art of console sale countery.. He lives in the enchanted forests deep beyond the valleys and mountains. It will take you 3 weeks to reach him on horse. I've heard the trek there can be very treacherous. Not many have made it back to tell the tale of the latest console numbers.

 

Interesting description of me haha. 

 

But anyway. I think a lot of this has been summed up in the posts above but I just want to provide some clarity around these numbers and how we should be reading into them. 

Microsoft confirmed that over 200 million active devices are now running Windows 10. This number is calculated by counting how many devices running Windows 10 have been "active" in the last 28 days. A simple switching on of a device during this period = active device.

The official statement is that over 200  million active devices are now running Windows 10. No break down is given in the official PR. 

Mary Jo Foley is an analyst who has worked for over 30 years covering Microsoft and their business divisions. She heard from an unconfirmed source that of the 200 million devices there were 'around 18 million' Xbox One's.

 

So what does this mean in the context-

1. It is an unverified source, not an official announcement. 

2. It is trusted by Mary Jo Foley who is a trusted analyst who doesn't usually report incorrect information.

3. It is the number of active Xbox One's running Windows 10. 

4. Microsoft force all users to upgrade to Windows 10 when you log in to your Xbox One. 

5. The official definition of this 'around 18 million' is active devices used at least once in the last 28 days.

 

How should this number be used?

As it's not an official number it should not be quoted as fact. Also the number talks about active consoles and not unit sales. We can not confidently say that the Xbox One has sold over 18 million but if this source is to be believed then it is likely that it is over 18 million. 

Therefore the above 5 points should be kept in mind when quoting this number or using it to work out sales figures. 

To date there is no official sell through or sell in number from Microsoft. 

😊..Also nicely constructed post with perspective btw.





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DonFerrari on 08 January 2016
ZhugeEX said:
3sexty said:

He is a legend, the most powerful known Sorcerer in the art of console sale countery.. He lives in the enchanted forests deep beyond the valleys and mountains. It will take you 3 weeks to reach him on horse. I've heard the trek there can be very treacherous. Not many have made it back to tell the tale of the latest console numbers.

Interesting description of me haha. 

But anyway. I think a lot of this has been summed up in the posts above but I just want to provide some clarity around these numbers and how we should be reading into them. 

Microsoft confirmed that over 200 million active devices are now running Windows 10. This number is calculated by counting how many devices running Windows 10 have been "active" in the last 28 days. A simple switching on of a device during this period = active device.

The official statement is that over 200  million active devices are now running Windows 10. No break down is given in the official PR. 

Mary Jo Foley is an analyst who has worked for over 30 years covering Microsoft and their business divisions. She heard from an unconfirmed source that of the 200 million devices there were 'around 18 million' Xbox One's.

 

So what does this mean in the context-

1. It is an unverified source, not an official announcement. 

2. It is trusted by Mary Jo Foley who is a trusted analyst who doesn't usually report incorrect information.

3. It is the number of active Xbox One's running Windows 10. 

4. Microsoft force all users to upgrade to Windows 10 when you log in to your Xbox One. 

5. The official definition of this 'around 18 million' is active devices used at least once in the last 28 days.

 

How should this number be used?

As it's not an official number it should not be quoted as fact. Also the number talks about active consoles and not unit sales. We can not confidently say that the Xbox One has sold over 18 million but if this source is to be believed then it is likely that it is over 18 million. 

Therefore the above 5 points should be kept in mind when quoting this number or using it to work out sales figures. 

To date there is no official sell through or sell in number from Microsoft. 

Very good as always Zhuge.. and the units already shipped with Windows 10 and consoles that weren't online in time for the upgrade should balance to have the sales hover between 18-20M.



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GProgrammer on 08 January 2016

Users! But isn't it possible for a single Xbox One to have multiple Users?
Also perhaps theres a few Xbox Ones that have been off for the month, people away on holiday and all that. So its nice to know it doesnt really tell us much about actual sold consoles.
I guess the only way we will sort of know is when MS stop saying the Xbox One is tracking ahead of the 360 in shipments.



Farsala on 08 January 2016

Honestly this gives a good estimation.

What we know is that it is not less then 18m and that it is probably not above 21m.



AsGryffynn on 08 January 2016
Farsala said:
Honestly this gives a good estimation.

What we know is that it is not less then 18m and that it is probably not above 21m.

And since the average is good, that is an estimate of 19 million...



ZhugeEX on 08 January 2016

Just to add,

This is what Mary actually said about the number on Twitter afterwards-



Swordmasterman on 08 January 2016
AsGryffynn said:
Farsala said:
Honestly this gives a good estimation.

What we know is that it is not less then 18m and that it is probably not above 21m.

And since the average is good, that is an estimate of 19 million...

i Dont see it with more than 18 Millions, Xbox One, begin the Year with over 10 Millions Units, Playstation 4, with 18.5 Millions Units, so Playstation 4, only sold 17.4 Millions while Xbox One, sold 9 Millions ?, the Minimum is 2 to 1 Sales, Remember that USA, is more than Twice more important for Xbox One, than for Playstation 4.

the Official Numbers that we Have are "More than Xbox 360" from Microsoft, and the Xbox 360, for VG Chartz, sold over 15.9 Millions in the Same Life-Time, from November of 2015, when they Launched the Windows 10 for Xbox One, may they already begin to Ship Xbox One Consoles Already with Windows 10 Actived.

i Hope Microsoft, will tell the Numbers in March on their Financial Reports of the Year.