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Gourmet said:
binary solo said:
Why doesn't Sony just release an app that makes PS4 into a dual boot PS4/Steambox, where's the down side? PC gaming and PS4 gaming in one box connected to your TV, for $349. If the exploit is just around the corner beat the jailbreakers to the punch.

 

1) it would make a vulnerable entrypoint for hackers, ps3 was only ever jailbroken because of otherOS. Even if an exploit is released, they can probably patch it.

 

2)that would imply in running Steam/gog/cracked PC games. This includes games on PSN and even Sony-funded like SFV.

 

3)this could make console platforms lose relevance compared to PCs.

 

About point 1: they should hardwire the boot process in a way that dual-booting to an OS different from the native one totally excludes access to HW dedicated to encoding/decoding/authentication of PS4 licensed SW.

Point 2: it's already possible on any PC or SteamBox, so as long as Sony strictly sell any dual-bootable console at a profit, it would give it additional profit compared to having users run that SW on other HW.

Point 3: PCs and SteamBox already compete with consoles on multiplat SW, consoles strength is made of their particular environment (including communities, network services, greater attention to minors protection, etc), their exclusives and their almost hassle-free working.

Edit: PS: Point 2a: there are chances that even people having bought a dual-bootable PS4 exclusively as a cheap SteamBox eventually buy a few PS4 games, this would benefit Sony overall even more, besides the fact that a larger HW base would increase its contractual power and position of strenth with third parties even if a minority of that HW base will buy a smaller number of PS4 games.



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sc94597 said:
nitus10 said:
you also need to take into account the monitor 

What do you play your PS4 on? A potato? Why not include the television/monitor into that price? 



I don't even get why he spent what he did on his build then go with being a main pref with consoles and then not include the TV price, to me that makes no sense, like some really rich guy who pointlessly spends money on something they don't really care for.





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sc94597 said:
nitus10 said:


Country to what the wannabe PC designers say if you are a serious gamer you are going to spend well over US$1000 on a decent gaming machine 

My PC cost me about $750 after tax with my current hardware (including upgrades.) It plays the Witcher 3 at 1080p High (some Ultra settings) 45 - 50fps, Fallout 4 maxed at 55-60 fps, Dragon Age Inquisition maxed at locked 30 fps, Watch Dogs high/very high locked at 30 fps, emulates PS2, Wii, GC games flawlessly, etc, etc. 

Here's the hardware:

i5 4690k @ 4.4 Ghz ($210)

r9 280x ($200)

8 GB DDR3 1600mhz ($50)

240 GB SSD ($70)

ASROCK Z97 Motherboard ($90)

1 TB HDD ($45)

Osrock Case ($40)

Corsair 500 W PSU ($20)

Keyboard and Mouse ($20)

Operating System (free, but windows 7 keys can be found for $20)

Today you can buy a PC that outpaces this quite decently for the same price. And my PC already decently outpaces the PS4 by about 30% better performance depending on the application. If i cut out extras (like my HDD or SSD) and went for a cheaper CPU this PC would still perform better than the PS4 for less than $600. 

 

Unless you have MSDN, you just admitted to being a pirate and proved half why so many build costs are wrong (for people that aren't douchebag pirates).

 

To get a legit version of a current OS it usually costs $100-150.





sabvre42 said:

Unless you have MSDN, you just admitted to being a pirate and proved half why so many build costs are wrong (for people that aren't douchebag pirates).

 

To get a legit version of a current OS it usually costs $100-150.



Try again, my university gets me operating systems for free.

And no,  oem keys (which are legitimate for consumers) can be found for $20-$50. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/microsoftsoftwareswap/

http://www.windows10update.com/2015/06/you-can-technically-get-windows-10-genuine-for-only-20/

Windows 7PriceDownloadPayment Method
Windows 7 Home Premium $20 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 7 Professional $25 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 7 Professional N $15 32 bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 7 Ultimate $25 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 7 Enterprise $30 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
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Windows 8 Standard $15 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8 Pro $20 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8 Enterprise $25 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8 Standard N $12 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
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Windows 8.1PriceDownloadPayment Method
Windows 8.1 Standard $20 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8.1 Pro $25 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8.1 Enterprise $30 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 8.1 Pro N $20 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 10PriceDownloadPayment Method
Windows 10 Home $35 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 10 Pro $45 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 10 Home N $25 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 10 Pro N $40 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet
Windows 10 Enterprise $50 32/64bit download Pay With Google Wallet

Regardless $750 (after taxes and shipping) isn't anywhere near $1000, and like I said I have extras which exceed the PS4's storage capacities and abilities by a considerable amount. 



sabvre42 said:
sc94597 said:
nitus10 said:


Country to what the wannabe PC designers say if you are a serious gamer you are going to spend well over US$1000 on a decent gaming machine 

My PC cost me about $750 after tax with my current hardware (including upgrades.) It plays the Witcher 3 at 1080p High (some Ultra settings) 45 - 50fps, Fallout 4 maxed at 55-60 fps, Dragon Age Inquisition maxed at locked 30 fps, Watch Dogs high/very high locked at 30 fps, emulates PS2, Wii, GC games flawlessly, etc, etc. 

Here's the hardware:

i5 4690k @ 4.4 Ghz ($210)

r9 280x ($200)

8 GB DDR3 1600mhz ($50)

240 GB SSD ($70)

ASROCK Z97 Motherboard ($90)

1 TB HDD ($45)

Osrock Case ($40)

Corsair 500 W PSU ($20)

Keyboard and Mouse ($20)

Operating System (free, but windows 7 keys can be found for $20)

Today you can buy a PC that outpaces this quite decently for the same price. And my PC already decently outpaces the PS4 by about 30% better performance depending on the application. If i cut out extras (like my HDD or SSD) and went for a cheaper CPU this PC would still perform better than the PS4 for less than $600. 

 

Unless you have MSDN, you just admitted to being a pirate and proved half why so many build costs are wrong (for people that aren't douchebag pirates).

 

To get a legit version of a current OS it usually costs $100-150.



Any PC / Part provider gives Windows for 20$ or even free. I always get one when I build a new PC and it always the up to date version.
Your post is borderline honestly, saying that guy is a pirate and then saying they are douchebags... While I completly agree with the fact that pirating is bad, this post was not needed and was just an attack toward Sc94597.





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sc94597 said:

Try again, my university gives me operating systems for free. 

And no,  oem keys (which are legitimate for consumers) can be found for $20-$50. 

http://www.windows10update.com/2015/06/you-can-technically-get-windows-10-genuine-for-only-20/

Regardless $750 isn't anywhere near $1000, and like I said I have extras which exceed the PS4's storage capacities and abilities by a considerable amount.

Would also like to throw in that my college also gives us OS's for free.

Also I'm rocking an OEM atm which cost me about £30 at the time for Windows 7 (2 years ago).





Mankind, in its arrogance and self-delusion, must believe they are the mirrors to God in both their image and their power. If something shatters that mirror, then it must be totally destroyed.

A Blue Ray Drive alone will cost you 50 bucks and PS4 controller with the same quality 70$/€. You cant beat something which is massivley produced and aimed at making profit with the software instead hardware espacially when it comes to built quality, so i dont understand why PC gamers in this thread try to downplay it and say you can built a PC for the same money like a PS4. 

for 350 bucks the PS4 is an undenaible beastly cheap package if you can also run a PC OS on it, even you must admit it.

- it can play blue ray and DVDs

- it can play physical PS4 games on an offline account

- you get a nice Controller which would otherwise cost 70€, its also possible to plug in USB extansion for having more USB ports

- it has a very compact formfactor try to buy a PC with the same size and built quality

It would be a great secondarry PC in the living room, and if PC games cold run as well on the PS4 it would be a Killer deal.



Imaginedvl said:
sabvre42 said:

 

Unless you have MSDN, you just admitted to being a pirate and proved half why so many build costs are wrong (for people that aren't douchebag pirates).

 

To get a legit version of a current OS it usually costs $100-150.



Any PC / Part provider gives Windows for 20$ or even free. I always get one when I build a new PC and it always the up to date version.
Your post is borderline honestly, saying that guy is a pirate and then saying they are douchebags... While I completly agree with the fact that pirating is bad, this post was not needed and was just an attack toward Sc94597.



 

Fyi, you guys get your free academic os through MSDN (academic version). I qualified that in my post.



Ha-ha there's no Linux on ps4. If you guys actually knew much about "failoverflow" you'd know that they never did anything. All they do is go to 'hacking' cons and use other people's work and claim it as their own. Much less there are no drivers and will be no drivers for the proprietary hw on the ps4. So sorry desktop managers like gdm won't even work. No 'SteamOS'



elektranine said:
Ha-ha there's no Linux on ps4. If you guys actually knew much about "failoverflow" you'd know that they never did anything. All they do is go to 'hacking' cons and use other people's work and claim it as their own. Much less there are no drivers and will be no drivers for the proprietary hw on the ps4. So sorry desktop managers like gdm won't even work. No 'SteamOS'

It wouldn't be too hard to take existing AMD drivers and tweak them a bit to get them running on the PS4. They are general enough that it should work. The linux population is used to messing with drivers because driver support can be abysmal at times. Sure, the drivers won't be the most efficient, but that isn't a realistic goal. 

Honestly, people have been able to get linux to work on ARM devices (or locked Windows X86 tablets), building it from the ground up pretty much, and these devices have low specifications. I doubt it would be more difficult to get a PS4 version working besides the actual jailbreaking of the console. 

I agree though. Running intensive steam games natively is a dream at best. The PS4's CPU struggles enough with console optimization.