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starcraft on 21 March 2008
BMaker11 said:
@Ghost

So when the Nintendo PR department says "We're targeting the casual, non-gamer market, and bringing them into videogames" that means that they're targeting core gamers that have played games all the time? If so, then I guess I made a mistake in the audience the Wii is going after. However, we know that's not true, and we know the Wii goes after parents, old people, kids, etc. who normally don't play games a lot. That's not a generalization...it's the truth. It's been stated over and over and over again, amongst VGC users, amongst electronic journalist websites (Reuters, Gizmodo, etc) and amongst the people that actually own one. You may be in the minority that actually enjoy the games that try to push the Wii to the limits (Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes) in terms of gameplay amongst "gamers"....but we know that it's the minority because those kind of games sell low, while Carnival Games, Cooking Mama, and Mario and Sonic Olympics sells millions.

With that said, if the console goes after people who don't play games that much, what makes you think that these people are going to sit down for hours on end and create big, extraordinary levels?

Gebx says that creativity isn't a strong point of PS3 owners, but according to the mainstream mentality, PS3 owners are only hardcores who devote themselves to games all the time....seems like it's those kind of people who would be more interested in making levels than the grandma that says "I never played videogames before, but I LOVE to waggle in Wii sports"

And you guys say that the PS3 doesn't have an online community? PSN is robust, to say the least, as of now, and Home will only make that way better.

Now, as to not derail the thread, like I said, it's great that Joystiq is using VGC, as it shows that this site is gaining popularity....I just hate when they try and add little snippet shots (hoping people won't catch them) at the PS3 when they don't have to.
Gebx's point was that so far the 360 has shown more creativity and a more robust online community......

 



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quigontcb on 21 March 2008
BMaker11 said:
@Ghost

So when the Nintendo PR department says "We're targeting the casual, non-gamer market, and bringing them into videogames" that means that they're targeting core gamers that have played games all the time? If so, then I guess I made a mistake in the audience the Wii is going after. However, we know that's not true, and we know the Wii goes after parents, old people, kids, etc. who normally don't play games a lot. That's not a generalization...it's the truth. It's been stated over and over and over again, amongst VGC users, amongst electronic journalist websites (Reuters, Gizmodo, etc) and amongst the people that actually own one. You may be in the minority that actually enjoy the games that try to push the Wii to the limits (Zack and Wiki, No More Heroes) in terms of gameplay amongst "gamers"....but we know that it's the minority because those kind of games sell low, while Carnival Games, Cooking Mama, and Mario and Sonic Olympics sells millions.

With that said, if the console goes after people who don't play games that much, what makes you think that these people are going to sit down for hours on end and create big, extraordinary levels?

Gebx says that creativity isn't a strong point of PS3 owners, but according to the mainstream mentality, PS3 owners are only hardcores who devote themselves to games all the time....seems like it's those kind of people who would be more interested in making levels than the grandma that says "I never played videogames before, but I LOVE to waggle in Wii sports"

And you guys say that the PS3 doesn't have an online community? PSN is robust, to say the least, as of now, and Home will only make that way better.

Now, as to not derail the thread, like I said, it's great that Joystiq is using VGC, as it shows that this site is gaining popularity....I just hate when they try and add little snippet shots (hoping people won't catch them) at the PS3 when they don't have to.

 Not to totally negate that rambling diatribe against Nintendo, but show me where Nintendo has stated that they aren't going after the core/hardcore/traditional gamer too. If you can't do that, then you're wasting your time.

I also hate when people add "snippet shots" unnecessarily. 



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DKII on 21 March 2008

Our LTD and past data has become generally accepted among media outlets now, at least when no other alternative is available. No one really wants to touch the weekly/current numbers though hehe except maybe as generalizations (Game X top-selling title this week, etc.)

PS:  Go put the link in the references thread in the website forum.



BMaker11 on 21 March 2008
quigontcb said:
 

Not to totally negate that rambling diatribe against Nintendo, but show me where Nintendo has stated that they aren't going after the core/hardcore/traditional gamer too. If you can't do that, then you're wasting your time.

I also hate when people add "snippet shots" unnecessarily.


 I had a big fat reply, that ended with "LAST 'Non-Joystiq uses VGC' post....promise" but then I accidentally hit cancel, and I don't wanna type it up again....lol



Cheebee on 21 March 2008

"If not Blu-ray, then perhaps the games will help propel Sony into the lead? After all, Halo 3 moved quite a bit of hardware last year, so couldn't MGS4, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, and Gran Turismo 5, among others, do the same for the PS3? No doubt, there is a lot of hype behind those titles, but unfortunately for Sony, they're no Halos. Granted, nothing else really is, but they're no Marios, Brawls, or Mario Karts either. Hell, Gears of War sold nearly as many copies as MGS3, MGS3: Subsistence, and Killzone combined at a time when the PS2's base was substantially larger than the 360's currently. As much praise as the MGS series has received, they don't have an extremely wide appeal. LittleBigPlanet, obviously as a new property, is completely untested and it is hard to tell whether it will reach the PS3's current demographic, as it seems more in tune to Nintendo's. Gran Turismo may be, surprisingly, the strongest property here; its last outing selling nearly 9 million copies, but again, with a 100+ million installed base. None of this is to say that PS3 owners shouldn't be celebrating these game releases, but as properties, they have not proven to be "killer apps". Easily, Sony's biggest games from the last generation were the Grand Theft Autos, all of which sold more than 11 million copies each, and whose newest installment is a multi-platform game with exclusive content going to the 360. Despite the strength of its lineup and without an exclusive like GTA, Sony may not have a killer app."


..This paragraph includes so many well-made points that so many people seem to be forgetting when they're boasting the PS3's reached a turning point.



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