Working longer hours is not the same as working harder. It has been proven time and time again that longer hours does not correlate to the same productivity gain. Maybe women work smarter.

Are you saying that women can't built villages, towns, cities, infrastructure and utilities? So by your reasoning men can't raise kids? Since historically that was always the female job. Who raised, fed, clothed, nurtered, kept safe the men that build your county?

There are differences between men and women. Men have a tendency to be more specialized while women have a tendency to be more balanced.
http://hiddentalents.org/brain/116-sexes.html

These are only tendencies. Where do you fit?
	Men with more specialized brains	Women with more balanced brains
Advantages	More likely to become geniuses and experts	Better at managing, generalist thinking, and "intuitive" thinking (ie. aware of many aspects of a situation).
Disadvantages	More likely to become absent-minded experts, and be poor managers	Less likely to excel as experts
Careers where this tendency is a real advantage	Musician, Craftsmen, Specialist in any field, and any career using spatial sense	President, CEO, Manager, Supervisor, Mother, Nurse, Secretary, Lawyer, Cook, Teacher

Examples are easy to find.

• Hospitals are almost "run" by nurses. Specialist male doctors ask the generalist nurses what is happening with their patients.
• Secretaries are exceedingly important at keeping most organizations operating smoothly, thereby making the CEO and specialists successful.
• Most men do not seem very adept at being house-husbands, which involves keeping track of many things happening at the same time.

Yet why is it that the nurse is seen as the lesser while the specialist gets the big paycheck and recognition? Same for secretaries?
Kinda ironic females are better suited to be president or ceo, yet they are in the minority. (14%) only 24 out of the top 500.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/24/investing/female-ceo-pipeline-leadership/

The world was always run by men, that doesn't mean they're the only ones or the best ones suited to the task. There's certainly a lot of room for improvement, and more balanced thinking is definitely needed on all levels.

SvennoJ said: Metroid33slayer said: WTF. The so called wage gap was partially explained because men work more hours, work more overtime and take fewer holidays, These are government statistics so how the hell did you come to that conclusion? Who do you think built your villages, towns, cities, country and all its infastructure and utilities? One more thing if men are seen as being more creative don't you think there is a reason behind this thought, I don't know maybe like the entire history of human civilisation. Working longer hours is not the same as working harder. It has been proven time and time again that longer hours does not correlate to the same productivity gain. Maybe women work smarter. Are you saying that women can't built villages, towns, cities, infrastructure and utilities? So by your reasoning men can't raise kids? Since historically that was always the female job. Who raised, fed, clothed, nurtered, kept safe the men that build your county? There are differences between men and women. Men have a tendency to be more specialized while women have a tendency to be more balanced. http://hiddentalents.org/brain/116-sexes.html These are only tendencies. Where do you fit?   Men with more specialized brains Women with more balanced brains Advantages More likely to become geniuses and experts Better at managing, generalist thinking, and "intuitive" thinking (ie. aware of many aspects of a situation). Disadvantages More likely to become absent-minded experts, and be poor managers Less likely to excel as experts Careers where this tendency is a real advantage Musician, Craftsmen, Specialist in any field, and any career using spatial sense President, CEO, Manager, Supervisor, Mother, Nurse, Secretary, Lawyer, Cook, Teacher Examples are easy to find. Hospitals are almost "run" by nurses. Specialist male doctors ask the generalist nurses what is happening with their patients. Secretaries are exceedingly important at keeping most organizations operating smoothly, thereby making the CEO and specialists successful. Most men do not seem very adept at being house-husbands, which involves keeping track of many things happening at the same time. Yet why is it that the nurse is seen as the lesser while the specialist gets the big paycheck and recognition? Same for secretaries? Kinda ironic females are better suited to be president or ceo, yet they are in the minority. (14%) only 24 out of the top 500. http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/24/investing/female-ceo-pipeline-leadership/ The world was always run by men, that doesn't mean they're the only ones or the best ones suited to the task. There's certainly a lot of room for improvement, and more balanced thinking is definitely needed on all levels.

Men found and build up companies out of those 500 companies how many were founded by men? At least 95% of them. All of the biggest companies were founded by men and over 95% of patents are by men. So you are saying men should found a company, take financial risks to make it work then the moment it becomes successful hand the leadership of his company over to a woman, just no. Also you can't do maths because 24 out of 500 is 4.8 % not 14%.

Nurses are more valuable than doctors and surgeons lol, They get paid less because their  job requires less qualifications and skill. Lastly where the hell did you get the idea that women are more suited to leadership? The whole of human history would disagree.

Metroid33slayer said: SvennoJ said: Working longer hours is not the same as working harder. It has been proven time and time again that longer hours does not correlate to the same productivity gain. Maybe women work smarter. Are you saying that women can't built villages, towns, cities, infrastructure and utilities? So by your reasoning men can't raise kids? Since historically that was always the female job. Who raised, fed, clothed, nurtered, kept safe the men that build your county? There are differences between men and women. Men have a tendency to be more specialized while women have a tendency to be more balanced. http://hiddentalents.org/brain/116-sexes.html These are only tendencies. Where do you fit?   Men with more specialized brains Women with more balanced brains Advantages More likely to become geniuses and experts Better at managing, generalist thinking, and "intuitive" thinking (ie. aware of many aspects of a situation). Disadvantages More likely to become absent-minded experts, and be poor managers Less likely to excel as experts Careers where this tendency is a real advantage Musician, Craftsmen, Specialist in any field, and any career using spatial sense President, CEO, Manager, Supervisor, Mother, Nurse, Secretary, Lawyer, Cook, Teacher Examples are easy to find. Hospitals are almost "run" by nurses. Specialist male doctors ask the generalist nurses what is happening with their patients. Secretaries are exceedingly important at keeping most organizations operating smoothly, thereby making the CEO and specialists successful. Most men do not seem very adept at being house-husbands, which involves keeping track of many things happening at the same time. Yet why is it that the nurse is seen as the lesser while the specialist gets the big paycheck and recognition? Same for secretaries? Kinda ironic females are better suited to be president or ceo, yet they are in the minority. (14%) only 24 out of the top 500. http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/24/investing/female-ceo-pipeline-leadership/ The world was always run by men, that doesn't mean they're the only ones or the best ones suited to the task. There's certainly a lot of room for improvement, and more balanced thinking is definitely needed on all levels. Men found and build up companies out of those 500 companies how many were founded by men? At least 95% of them. All of the biggest companies were founded by men and over 95% of patents are by men. So you are saying men should found a company, take financial risks to make it work then the moment it becomes successful hand the leadership of his company over to a woman, just no. Also you can't do maths because 24 out of 500 is 4.8 % not 14%. Nurses are more valuable than doctors and surgeons lol, They get paid less because their  job requires less qualifications and skill. Lastly where the hell did you get the idea that women are more suited to leadership? The whole of human history would disagree.

You can't read...

Only 14.2% of the top five leadership positions at the companies in the S&P 500 are held by women, according to a CNNMoney analysis.

Yes 4.2% in the top 500.


You keep arguing out of the historical situation. Because men were always in power they should stay in power? Because men founded the company, a qualified female can't be just as or even more succesful running that company? Why are females less suited to leadership?

Are men that great at leadership?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/6/30/1104867/-A-List-of-Female-Dictators
Hint, there are none.

Was Thatcher not a good leader?

I would like to see a hospital run by only specialist doctors... Maybe you're living in the past?
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/04/separates-doctors-nurses.html

Educational level is usually part of the definition of a doctor or nurse.  This is no longer a reliable indicator.  A doctor has an undergraduate degree and an MD.  But a doctor might be a DO also, a doctor of osteopathic medicine.  A nurse has an undergraduate degree in nursing.  Except that, a nurse might have an undergraduate degree in something other than nursing, and get the nursing training later in a master’s degree program.  Up until relatively recently you didn’t have to have a BSN to be a nurse, an associates degree was enough.  Now a nurse might have a master’s degree or a PhD.  A nurse practitioner has a master’s degree.  A physician assistant might also.
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But the law and society have laid the ultimate privilege and burden on the person that people call “doctor.”  That’s the difference.

You seem to have forgotten that for the last several thousands of years, women have been relegated to the role of 'domestic engineer' because of their ability to reproduce while men have been allowed to establish a dominant presence in almost every industry. That's why more men have founded and built up companies. It's not because women don't work as hard or are less intelligent.

It's going to take a little longer than a couple generations for women to catch up to the achievements of their male counterparts, especially when they have to penetrate already male-dominated industries, so comparing their accomplishments in society and using it a testament to the notion that males are superior workers is a bit unfair to say the least.

You seem to have a lot of disdain towards and no respect for women, judging by your posts, making you no better than the 'man-hating' women who lump all males together as chauvinistic oppressors. No one should treat anyone as a lesser for what amounts to a biological coin flip.

I completely misinterpreted this comment, my mistake. =)

If you were granted a wish and could magically become a woman I don't think any of you guys would do it, and that just kills the whole argument IMO.

I would!

Lmao, cheetos need love to  

if men and women are equal, how were men able to establish a dominance hierarchy with themselves at the top?

"How about we stop making stupid groups and just get along?"

(gets killed)