Hogwash, UC4 has more hype than Batman or Battlefront did.

And NX fixing Wii U's mistakes won't save it. The Dreamcast fixed the Saturn's mistakes.

the Zelda bundle that came with the motion plus was 60 ten more dollars than the standard edition. I still dont think its that much to deter people and considering just how well WiiSports Resort sold i imagine a lot of people who had interest already had the device, i know i did.

Again those people werent really Zelda fans so they probably wouldnt have bought it either, i dont think the motion plus edition hurt it that much.

Maybe, but why, because of Sony fans, same like Zelda U are hyping Nintendo fans.

Save it!? Is NX in some kind of trouble and needs to be saved!? NX is completely new platform about people are very hyped.

That was LE bundle, again around half Wii onwer didnt had Wii Motion Plus or Wii Remote. No, some people would buy it game if they didn't need to give extra cash in order to play game.

Require Motion Plus or Remote Plus for Zelda U definitely hurt sales of game, is arguably how much, but I think sales would be around 30% better without requre of Motion Plus or Remote Plus.

No offense, but you seem to live in some kind of parallel universe where every gamer shares your preferences.

Your unrealistically optimistic view of all things Nintendo turns almost every post you make into an exercise in wishful thinking.

I admire your positivity, I really do, but if you honestly think that NX and Zelda U are hugely hyped things that the whole industry is eagerly looking forward towards, you're living in a dream world.

No offense, but you seem to live in some kind of parallel universe where you think that all people share same preferences.

You are totally negative about everything, you wrote itself that you are very negative so you hardly can be objective.

Of Course that whole industry isn't hugle hyped about Zelda U or U4 for instance, but you can bet that gaming industry is very hyped about NX and you really need to be blind not to see that.

"Your unrealistically optimistic view of all things Nintendo turns almost every post you make into an exercise in wishful thinking."

What things exalty!? Because I expecting sales of Zelda on NX 4-7m, or because I expecting that NX console will be better success than WiiU!? Both things are pretty objective not unrealistically optimistic views. Saying that ZeldaU will sell 10m+ on NX and that NX platform will be sold same like Wii/DS would be unrealistically optimistic views not things that I wrote.

You really don't what about are you talking, just give me one thing that I wrote and that is unrealistically optimistic view.

I am a pessimist, but given the sorry state of the industry at the moment, even I'm often unrealistically optimistic. For instance, not even I dared to imagine this year's E3 would be this awful. Sadly, pessimism is reality when it comes to Nintendo these days.

You should have known me a couple of years ago; I defended Nintendo day in and day out, telling people "just wait til E3, they'll announce new stuff and blow us away" and the like.

These days, I am resigned to the harsh reality of today's industry, and the fact that my tastes are growing increasingly niche as the inexorable march of the Dudebro pushes everything that's not a realistic M-rated action game into obscurity. I may not like it, but that's the way things are.

No need for that, today's games are great, Nintendo games are great also like always were, you dont need to be such a pessimist only because Nintendo totally screwed WiiU and because is selling terrible, and because Nintendo is making some big changes that definitely affects WiiU/3DS.

Yes, this E3 was terrible and I was very dispaintment, but at E3 I realised that Nintendo is focused on NX for qite time now with launch set for 2016. and that they will continue support Wii U/3DS mainyle with previously announced games, smaller projects, spin offs and ports, and that was of reason of terible E3. But at E3 2014 for instance they had relly great show, and because of NX we can expect once again great show, just imagine full review of NX, full revile of Zelda, very likely new 3D Mario, Retros project, definitely some new NX games too..

I agree that Nintendo still makes great games, what I take issue with is their stubborn refusal to meet the needs of gamers who aren't already Nintendo fans. If they keep on like this, their audience will only continue to shrink, and they will go the way of Sega. I don't want that to happen.

Like already wrote, they need more mature games, new projects and third party exlusives, they done great job with Bayonetta 2, Fatal Frame V, Xenoblade X, even with Devils Third despite game is garbage, but we need much more of that, we also need something new, Retro needs to make something similar to Uncharted or TLoU, we need new Metroid Prime, some exclusive Resident Evil would be great again...we need all that, but Nintendo don't need to change in any way already great games that are still on of the best games in industry and that are still very popular with great sales. Also they need third party support, but they realised that itself because they saw they cant support one console itself.

Nintendo will never go way of Sega because Nintendo is staying always profitable, they had only two losses in their entire history and never had any debt, they making money even with Wii U that have terible sales. And now they planning how to expand their business with completely new platform, mobile games, and aggressive use of their IPs.