Yeah, it's a shame, because I love Nintendo and I want them to do well. But that can't happen until they stop ignoring what mainstream gamers want. If I praised the path they've gone down for the last four years, I would be advocating their destruction.

yeah you've def been a lot more critical. Im not there biggest fan (1.SOny 2.Nin 3.MS) but its not cool to see them getting the stomping they've been getting.

The last year disillusioned me a lot in regards to Nintendo. In 2011-2014 I kept thinking their bad decisions with Wii U were a temporary lapse which they would recognize and correct; I failed to realize they were instead indicative of deep-rooted flaws that go to the very core of the company.

better late than never!

I think it's just a combination of delaying for the NX release at christmas 2016 (probably) and just genuinely wanting it to be awesome. This sounds like it's gonna be one of the biggest games Nintendo have ever made. Hopefully it'll be another of their gems like Ocarina and Mario Galaxy that people are talking about for decades to come.

You shouldn't really call it Zelda HD though. Wind Waker and TP are both HD too. Confusion!

You said Wii U will have smaller instal base than GC!? Why comparing sales of Wii game with Wii U!? Mario 3D World and Mario Kart 8 will have have far beter atach rate than Mario Sunshine and Double Dash, aslo Smash Bros 4 have better atach rate than Brawl. I think same will be for Zelda U, it will have better attach rate than TP on GC, relly dont that Zelda U will sell in less than 1m even with NX port.

Of Course there is no guarantee that handheld/console fusion will have Wii numbers, but there no guarantee that will have smaller numbers. Nintendo home console + handheld sales were on 65m on 30. September, so LT numbers for them will definatly will be 80m+.

I dont agree, Nintendo made so many mistakes with Wii U and thats why WIi U is selling so terrible, they will definitely correct most of those mistakes and NX platform will probably be much more attractive than Wii U with gamepad, so NX home console will definitely sell much better than Wii U (realistically that wouldn't be hard at all). About NX handheld sales, I expecting similar numbers to 3DS, maybe little smaller but not to much. So I really don't see that NX home and handheld will small less than 3DS + Wii U combined.

And Zelda TP HD will be also be HD too.

Nintendo show little to no signs of having learned their lessons though. To this day, they still stubbornly refuse to meet the needs of the mainstream gaming crowd. I see no evidence that this will change significantly with NX.

All things considered, Zelda U will most likely be another moderately successful entry in the series like Wind Waker or Skyward Sword, rather than a smash hit like Twilight Princess or Ocarina.

When you having worst gen in your history and worst selling console, you will seat down and really think what lead to something like that, what I done wrong, how to prevent that next time and how to have much successful generation and console. Remember, we are talking here about company that operating from 1889 that is in gaming from begining and that have loose only in 2 years in their entire history.

Nintendo is doing so many changes this gen, so I really can't see how you can completely ignore that: Amiibo figures, great online play, DLCs, completely new account system, Nintendo Club replacement and other new Nintendo services, mobile games, completely new unified platform, they already stated they will correct most of 3DS/WiiU mistakes with NX...ignoring all this and saying that they are still very stubborn and they dont change, make no sense. When you say "maintstream gaming crowd" you probably think on "PS/Xbox", thing is that Nintendo was always very difrent and uniqe (for better or worse), and thats why their games and hardware are so difrent and uniqe (with hardware they have hits and misses but their games are always great), last thing I want is that we have onother same company like PS/Xbox in gaming market or onother clone of PS4/X1 console or like in previous gen onother clone of "HD twins". So they definitely are changing, but they also want to stay unique and different in same time, and I think that's best solution for Nintendo.

So you saying that first HD, true open Zelda with bigest world ever, that looks beatifule, and what seems Zelda that will be one of the best Zelda games ever, that will probably be released on two platforms on which on one will very likely be launch title, will sell only like Wind Waker on GC!? I dont think so, all things considered Zelda U will most likely have similar sales to TP, no to WW or SS.

Nintendo's "changes" are too small. They still don't understand the modern gaming mainstream, as evidenced by recent decisions like no voice chat in Splatoon, no online play in Mario 3D World, the clusterfucks that are Mario Party 10 and Amiibo Festival, this year's terrible E3. If they'd really recognized their problems and were trying to turn things around, none of these things would have occurred.

Nobody is saying they need to abandon Mario and co and become a clone of Sony, but they do need to start making more games that target the 13-30 male demographic if they want to stay relevant. They need to diversify, to make more than just E-rated fare.

And as I've previously said, yes, I consider it highly unlikely Zelda U will approach Twilight Princess level sales. It lacks appeal to gamers who aren't already fans, and it will be on one dead console and another totally unproven one.