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Is that enough footage?

Yes 96 26.52%
 
No 266 73.48%
 
Total:362

That argument is a bit of a reach as the 3DS game is a remake, TP was a multiplatform release so it makes sense counting them together. If you're going by your current logic WWHD's sales should be added to WW making it the 4th highest selling Zelda game at 6.1m and TPHD's sales when released will be added to TP's sales.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

No is isn't, Ocarina of Time is. Both portable and handheld Zelda have dropped in sales hugely over the last decade.

And yes. Sales is the ultimate indicator of how "big" something is. Not the subjective, unquantifiable opinions of random people on the internet; actual real world success.

TP is first, but if you count OoT and OoT Remake, than its OoT. They dropped but now they are on rising again, so no series in decline like you wrote.

So you saying that Wii Fit, Wii Play, Wii Fit Plus, NSMB Wii are 3-4 times bigger games beacuse they sold 3-4 better than Last Of Us, game that won so many prizes and widely accepted as probably biggest/best game of previous gen!? Do you realise what you are writing!?

If you count TP on multiple platforms (Wii + GCN) it is only fair to compare Ocarina on multiple platforms. (N64 + 3DS) Whether you're counting across a single platform or several, Ocarina is the highest selling Zelda.

ALBW will not outsell Skyward Sword, and even if it outsells Spirit Tracks, it will still be on a massive net decline from the days of TP and PH. A small short term rise does not negate a long term decline.

"Biggest" can incorporate many criteria, but sales is the most important. If not that many people even play, it cannot be one of the generation's biggest, no matter how much critics or fans love it.

 

Well then once we add in Twilight Princess HD sales, I'm sure it will take the lead again.

Adventure of Link, Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, Majora's Mask, Oracle of Ages/Seasons, Wind Waker, Phantom Hourglass, Spirit Tracks, Skyward Sword and soon to be Link Between Worlds have sold in the 3-5 million range and averaging about 4 million.

3 exceptions (Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time, Twilight Princess) have sold higher averaging about 7 million, while 3 exceptions (Four Swords Adventures, Minish Cap, Triforce Heroes) have/will sell less averaging around 1 million.

This is not including ports/remakes.



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zorg1000 said:

Well then once we add in Twilight Princess HD sales, I'm sure it will take the lead again.

Unlikely.

TP currently stands at 8.8 million, Ocarina at 11.4 million.

TPHD would have to sell over 2.6 million copies. No way that is happening.





curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Well then once we add in Twilight Princess HD sales, I'm sure it will take the lead again.

Unlikely.

TP currently stands at 8.8 million, Ocarina at 11.4 million.

TPHD would have to sell over 2.6 million copies. No way that is happening.



 

Wind Waker HD is at 1.5m, Twilight Princess HD will most likely match or exceed, let's say 2 million putting it at 10.8m, 5% difference and pretty much a statistical tie.

But for the rest of my post, it shows Zelda really isn't in a decline, more like the series goes through its ups and downs while staying around 4 million the majority of the time.



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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

Unlikely.

TP currently stands at 8.8 million, Ocarina at 11.4 million.

TPHD would have to sell over 2.6 million copies. No way that is happening.

Wind Waker HD is at 1.5m, Twilight Princess HD will most likely match or exceed, let's say 2 million putting it at 10.8m, 5% difference and pretty much a statistical tie.

But for the rest of my post, it shows Zelda really isn't in a decline, more like the series goes through its ups and downs while staying around 4 million the majority of the time.

A difference of 600,000 units is not a tie, and that's a very optimistic prediction for TPHD.

Ups and downs yes, but the current downward trend has been going for a decade on both console and handheld entries. Together with the steep decline in Nintendo's hardware base, thus limiting the user base Zelda U is available to, I see little reason to believe Zelda U will have sales anywhere near Ocarina or TP.





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curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:

Wind Waker HD is at 1.5m, Twilight Princess HD will most likely match or exceed, let's say 2 million putting it at 10.8m, 5% difference and pretty much a statistical tie.

But for the rest of my post, it shows Zelda really isn't in a decline, more like the series goes through its ups and downs while staying around 4 million the majority of the time.

A difference of 600,000 units is not a tie, and that's a very optimistic prediction for TPHD.

Ups and downs yes, but the current downward trend has been going for a decade on both console and handheld entries. Together with the steep decline in Nintendo's hardware base, thus limiting the user base Zelda U is available to, I see little reason to believe Zelda U will have sales anywhere near Ocarina or TP.



 

I don't see how it's a trend

Legend of Zelda-6.5m, Adventure of Link-4.4m, Link to the Past-4.6m, Ocarina of Time-7.6m, Majora's Mask-3.4m, Wind Waker-4.6m, Twilight Princess-7.2m, Skyward Sword-4.0m. Down, up, up, down, up, up, down. Based on that trend Zelda 2016 will sell higher than Skyward Sword and the following one will sell higher than Zelda 2016.

Links Awakening-3.8m, Oracle of Ages/Seasons-3.8, Minish Cap-1.4m, Phantom Hourglass-5.1m, Spirit Tracks-3.3m, Link Between Worlds-2.7m. Tie, down, up, down, down (perhaps tie when done).

Basically the typical console Zelda sells 4+ million while the typical handheld Zelda sells 3+ million, with a few exceptions each.



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Look, surprises make us keep anticipating for the game. That's cool.

It's annoying for games(especially pokemon) when people get the game 1-2 months before it's even released and reveal every bit of detail for the game.

I don't know about everyone else, but I prefer 8-10+ years ago when all we can do is wait and get hype.



 

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zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

A difference of 600,000 units is not a tie, and that's a very optimistic prediction for TPHD.

Ups and downs yes, but the current downward trend has been going for a decade on both console and handheld entries. Together with the steep decline in Nintendo's hardware base, thus limiting the user base Zelda U is available to, I see little reason to believe Zelda U will have sales anywhere near Ocarina or TP.

I don't see how it's a trend

Legend of Zelda-6.5m, Adventure of Link-4.4m, Link to the Past-4.6m, Ocarina of Time-7.6m, Majora's Mask-3.4m, Wind Waker-4.6m, Twilight Princess-7.2m, Skyward Sword-4.0m. Down, up, up, down, up, up, down. Based on that trend Zelda 2016 will sell higher than Skyward Sword and the following one will sell higher than Zelda 2016.

Links Awakening-3.8m, Oracle of Ages/Seasons-3.8, Minish Cap-1.4m, Phantom Hourglass-5.1m, Spirit Tracks-3.3m, Link Between Worlds-2.7m. Tie, down, up, down, down (perhaps tie when done).

Basically the typical console Zelda sells 4+ million while the typical handheld Zelda sells 3+ million, with a few exceptions each.

Both charts end on a down, (a very protracted down) and the diminishing of Nintendo's hardware base further restricts the amount of gamers Zelda U will be available to.



curl-6 said:
zorg1000 said:
curl-6 said:

A difference of 600,000 units is not a tie, and that's a very optimistic prediction for TPHD.

Ups and downs yes, but the current downward trend has been going for a decade on both console and handheld entries. Together with the steep decline in Nintendo's hardware base, thus limiting the user base Zelda U is available to, I see little reason to believe Zelda U will have sales anywhere near Ocarina or TP.

I don't see how it's a trend

Legend of Zelda-6.5m, Adventure of Link-4.4m, Link to the Past-4.6m, Ocarina of Time-7.6m, Majora's Mask-3.4m, Wind Waker-4.6m, Twilight Princess-7.2m, Skyward Sword-4.0m. Down, up, up, down, up, up, down. Based on that trend Zelda 2016 will sell higher than Skyward Sword and the following one will sell higher than Zelda 2016.

Links Awakening-3.8m, Oracle of Ages/Seasons-3.8, Minish Cap-1.4m, Phantom Hourglass-5.1m, Spirit Tracks-3.3m, Link Between Worlds-2.7m. Tie, down, up, down, down (perhaps tie when done).

Basically the typical console Zelda sells 4+ million while the typical handheld Zelda sells 3+ million, with a few exceptions each.

Both charts end on a down, (a very protracted down) and the diminishing of Nintendo's hardware base further restricts the amount of gamers Zelda U will be available to.

 

That doesn't make it a trend, if both were seeing consecutive downs than u would have a case but console has one down and while handheld currently has 2 downs it will likely be a tie in the end or such a small decrease that it's really not worth mentioning.

The last console Zelda is at 4m, Wii U currently has 5 games over 4m, Zelda U selling over 4m isn't out of the question if it remains exclusive but I personally see it being a dual release like Twilight Princess was which makes me believe it will without a doubt sell over 4m.



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zorg1000 said:

That doesn't make it a trend, if both were seeing consecutive downs than u would have a case but console has one down and while handheld currently has 2 downs it will likely be a tie in the end or such a small decrease that it's really not worth mentioning.

The last console Zelda is at 4m, Wii U currently has 5 games over 4m, Zelda U selling over 4m isn't out of the question if it remains exclusive but I personally see it being a dual release like Twilight Princess was which makes me believe it will without a doubt sell over 4m.

That's what a trend is, change over time. On both consoles and handhelds, Zelda's recent entries have sold less than they did back in 2006-2007.

If Zelda U does manage to outsell Skyward Sword, (which is certainly not impossible) it will still be a far cry from the popularity the series enjoyed with Ocarina, TP, or the original game.