Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:
Meelow said:
I agree, the reasons they are holding everything back is to make sure 2016 is truly a great year for Nintendo, yes we had a bad E3 2015, and no announcements at TGA. However this may mean E3 2016 might be on par with E3 2006 and E3 2010.
Imagine next E3 with...
- NX
- Zelda WiiU/NX
- Super Mario NX
- Retro's title
- New IP's
- Hopefully actual third party support
Nintendo has a chance to make E3 2016 truly amazing and I hope they make it happen. |
Bolded for hilariousness. If the rumors are true, development on the NX will be more expensive and time consuming than any other platform in console history by forcing developers to develop for multiple hardware specs at once. If true, the Wii U's third party support will make the NX jealous. There's no reason for third parties to take a greater financial risk on a platform whose predecessor sold absymally. Aside from that have no reason to think their games will be any more profitable than they were on the Wii or Wii U (seriously, take a good look at how many third party games made any real profit on either of those platforms) Nintendo has already announced its once again primarily focused on catering to its dwindling fanbase, which means little to no chance at this console appealing to new fans. You can absolutely forget this console becoming a fad like the Wii. Why are Nintendo diehards so convinved the NX will be astoundingly successful?
Expect an expensive console, that is expensive to develop for, with little third party support. Nintendo fans will buy one or both specs like they did with the Wii U and 3DS, except Nitnendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need. Will it be a huge hit amonst Nintendo fans? Undoubtedly. Will it do more to bring Nintendo back into the mainstream of gaming? All indicators are pointing to "no". All told, if the NX is split amongst two specs, you can expect the platform as a whole to do 20-30% than the 3DS/Wii U combined. Considering the reach of such a platform, that would be a monumental failure.
Either way, the writing is on the wall. If the NX doesn't have the success Nintendo is banking on, I have no doubt that Nintendo will exit the home console space. With mobile gaming taking larger and larger chunks out of Nitnendo's handheld market, you can expect if the NX portable doesn't sell as well as the 3DS, it may be Nintendo's last foray into that space as well. It's not looking good for Nintendo, not at all.
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-Well developers in same time will be develop game for two devices in same time. We already saw Square Enix announced Dragon Quest games for NX, you can expect Monster Hunter, Yokai Watch...so Japanese publishers will certainly be on NX, and thats already more than Wii U has.
-I dont expecting expensive console, expecting $250-300 for home console and $150-200 for handheld, and third party will certainly will be stronger than its on Wii U.
"Nintendo is cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library on one platform instead of two, so many people won't buy two consoles because there is no need". How many 3DS owners have Wii!? Not many, so how exatly Nintendo will cannibalizing their own sales by offering their entire software library one on platform? Actually it's reverse, Nintendo will have bigger instal base for every their game than like before releasing games for just one device, and they will have much bigger offer of games on platform than before when they had separate offer for each device, also that means no more droughts and gaps between game releases. And If Nintendo plays good with whole idea, more people will buy bought devices than they buyed 3DS and Wii U.
I think it almost certain that NX will perform much better than Wii U, and Nintendo is making money even this gen with failure like Wii U is. So I cant see the abandoning hardware market even NX dont perform like they hope.
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Really? Wii U doesn't have Japanese third party publishers already? Monster Hunter is already out on Wii U, so is Dragon Quest X. Not quite sure how your beleif a 3DS exclusive making its way to the NX home is somehow indicative of "more third party support".
As for the price, the prices you're mentioning are going to, at the very least be just as expensive as the PS4 and X1. That is a hard sell. Also, at $299, that would be the same price as the Wii U when it released. We all know how that flew off the shelves. Why would this console be any different?
How many 3DS owners have a Wii U? More than 3DS owners that have a PS4 or X1, I'd bet. Most Die hard Nintendo fans I know have both consoles (and some have multiple copies of 3DSs). In fact I don't know a single Wii U owner that doesn't own a 3DS. The fact of the matter is that all of those people that bought both just to play Nintendo's library suddenly no longer need to buy both. They can just buy one. That is in fact cannibalizing their sales. I'd counter the rest of your paragraph, but (and I don't mean to insult) I literally don't know what you're trying to say. Could you please try again?
While the NX will should perform better than the Wii U (it's pretty difficult to perform as poorly as the Wii U has), It would be a surprise if the NX platform as a whole sold more than the Wii U and 3DS. Sure Nintendo is making money, but to be honest, it's not making as much money off of video game consoles and video game sales as it once did. It's making money off of things like Amiibo, which don't seem to lead to increased console and video game sales.
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We got only Monster Hunter Wii HD port, how many MH games were released for 3DS? Dragon Quest for Wii U only in Japan. That's exactly what I am talking, NX will have better 3rd party support than Wii U had.
Wii U launch with price $299-349, for NX I mentione price $249-299. Why would NX would be difrent!? Because Wii U was file in every possible way, start from unveiling, name, marketing, price, whole launch and launch games...and Nintendo will certanly not repeat those mistakes with NX (at least majority of those mistakes).
Answer is little, we have around 55m 3DS owners and around 10m owners, so theoretically ever 5. owner could be owner of Wii U, but that's just theoretically, actually number is much more lower. I dont have 3DS, but if NX really have great integration of home console and handheld, I would buy both devices, and clearly I am not alone. Also its not same experience, on NX handheld you will have small screen to play game outside house, but on home console you can play on TV with reach graphics, and certainly they will be some other benefits for having both devices. I think more people will have both devices than they had 3DS and Wii U.
In worst case I expecting that NX perform similar like 3DS/WiiU performed together. Offcourse Nintendo cant expect sales and profit like in Wii/DS era, but they can still make good money from consoles and games with those sales, and now they will have Amiibos, mobile games, theamed parks...for extra revenue.
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So bascially you're saying if all 3DS series come to NX home, the NX will have better third party support? Is that your thought process?
There stands a good chance that the PS4 and X1 could be $249 by the time the NX comes around. What then? You're going to be hard pressed to find an average video game buyer that sees a Nintendo console at $50 less than a PS4 as "better value" or "worth the money". The Wii U certain didn't sell any better when it was $100 cheaper than the PS4. What makes you think the NX is going to fare better? What makes you think Nintendo won't repeat those mistakes? You seem pretty confident in a company that, with the exception of the Wii, has lost more and more and more grip on their presence in the home console market.
So by your logic, and let me make sure we're clear - if people were unwilling to buy both a 3DS and a Wii U when they had different games, they will be more willing to buy both an NX home and an NX portable to play the same games. Is that correct? Do you have any evidence to support that offering games across multiple platforms has led to increased sales amongst all of those platforms? Are people more likely to buy an iPhone if they have an iMac? Some of those applications for Mac automatically give you free access to the mobile equivalent. Do you have any evidence to support this claim? Because from what I see, if someone really loves Mario, Zelda and Smash Bros, and just buys a 3DS to play pokemon, and Pokemon is suddenly available for the NX home, why would they bother picking up a NX portable, if they didn't really care about playing their games on the go to begin with?
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Yes, NX home console will definitely have better third party support than Wii U had, thats my point.
NX will offer different things than PS4/XB1 are offering, like Nintendo stated "It’s something unique and different" buy that they probably mean on integrated platform, heavy integration with playing same games by different devices. Also there will be Nintendo games that you dont have on PS4/XB1.
Why I think will not repeat Wii U mistakes!? Beacuse Wii U is their worst selling console ever and after something like that you expecting that they will do what's necessary not to repeat those mistakes and to have more appealing product. Also they already adressed majority of Wii U problems that will not be repeted on NX, they addressed bad marketing and name, they addressed higher price than they wanted, they addressed poor utilization of gamepad, they addressed poor launch lineup and software droughts...also it seems that NX will have much easier architecture for developing than Wii U has, probably very similar to PS4/XB1 and that means fast and easy ports. I am very confident about all that because I follow what they are doing.
Only evidence I have is that only very small part of 3DS owners also buyed Wii U, and I think if NX home console and NX handheld will have heavy integration, number of people who will bouth devices will be bigger.
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