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Valdath on 04 December 2015
FunFan said:
Wright said:

I don't understand. (Especially because the abridged version doesn't match with OP's title, forcing to redirect ourselves to the whole text) The only thing I'm getting here is that you believe the JRPG market will experience some kind of trascendence because Nintendo is publishing one JRPG this month...and that trascendence can be evidenced by the fact that they made a great shooter that sold well. Am I getting this right?

I don't think Splatoon changed the status quo of anything; it proves that originality can pay off, but to alter the very foundations of the shooter panorama we're living today would mean a lot of things, includingeveryone copying Splatoon's success, which I don't picture unless the brand gets to grow as much as Mario has throughout these years. Bearing this in mind, and using the same connection you did, I can't picture Xenoblade being the "savior" of anything, as, again, it didn't shake the status quo of the JRPGs (though this is a much more volatile thing; you never know what to expect. Successful JRPGs might include games about a knight who dies a lot, then we switch over to some bunch of emo teenagers driving to meet some waifu); being successful in Japan with just one game doesn't really guarantee much (As history has proven, there are successful IPs in Japan that don't translate well overseas and viceversa, and thus japanese developers don't get interested enough in supporting this path).

 

I mean, nothing should be disregarded unless fully analized, but I think the very premise of your post is in shaky ground already.


I see the Abridge Version is working as intended. Good, Good.

 

I'm obviously using a bit of hyperbole (or am I?) and the whole concept is a huge jump in logic (or is it?) but is only with the end of putting a little bit of humor. I am serious about the core message. So I'll try a super simple version, as distiled of absurdity as I can, just for you: 

Xenoblade (Wii) made Nintendo a little bit more confident about console JRPGs worldwide. Xenoblade Chronicles X (WiiU) shows that Nintendo is putting more effort and is more confident about the genre. If XCX performs well, such confidence and effort will further increase. Which is great news for the RPG genre. Because when Nintendo puts actual effort into "something", good "things" happen. Splatoon is simply the lastest example. We could argue all day about how great the news are or how good those "things" are. But it is still a positive change regardles of how significant that change might be.

 

Heres the true version for Nintendo Fans: 

Nintendo is The Best. And when The Best gets involved, everything changes, as was shown by Splatoon. Xenoblade is inspiring The Best into getting more involved with JRPGs, thus JRPGs are saved.


Uhh? it's been what... 3 years? and the Wii U still doesn't have a retail RPG.

 

In fact it's my biggest disappointment about the Wii U, don't get me wrong i love my Wii U but in the RPG department it's a spit to the face:

No Fire Emblem home console game

No Paper Mario RPG home console game

No third party exclusives like Pandora's Tower or The Last Story

And the worst of all, of all the JRPGs that they could have chosen (Golden Sun, Shin Megami Tensei 3rd party exclusive, Advance Wars, Dragon Quest Spinoff, Final Fantasy Chronicles, ETC ETC ETC) they pick a Idol ultra weaboo "rpg" with singing battles and highschool girls fighting dragons in a theater stage.

Seriously, there's so many legendary franchises that deserved the home console treatment... and this garbage gets choosen?

If anything, the Wii U shows Nintendo officially abandoning the RPG genre, Xenoblade isn't enough.

 

The 3DS is an amazing RPG machine though.



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FunFan on 05 December 2015
Valdath said:
FunFan said:

Xenoblade (Wii) made Nintendo a little bit more confident about console JRPGs worldwide. 


Uhh? it's been what... 3 years? and the Wii U still doesn't have a retail RPG.

 

In fact it's my biggest disappointment about the Wii U, don't get me wrong i love my Wii U but in the RPG department it's a spit to the face:

No Fire Emblem home console game

No Paper Mario RPG home console game

No third party exclusives like Pandora's Tower or The Last Story

And the worst of all, of all the JRPGs that they could have chosen (Golden Sun, Shin Megami Tensei 3rd party exclusive, Advance Wars, Dragon Quest Spinoff, Final Fantasy Chronicles, ETC ETC ETC) they pick a Idol ultra weaboo "rpg" with singing battles and highschool girls fighting dragons in a theater stage.

Seriously, there's so many legendary franchises that deserved the home console treatment... and this garbage gets choosen?

If anything, the Wii U shows Nintendo officially abandoning the RPG genre, Xenoblade isn't enough.

 

The 3DS is an amazing RPG machine though.


Well, you know. I did say "a little bit". Thing is, the support that XCX is receiving from Nintendo (NoA in particular), is noticiably better than with the original. I'm willing to bet that the production values are much higher this time. I don't know, because I haven't played it yet and won't be able to play the game until christmas week due to lack of time T.T, but I'm interested to hear, from those that can play it, if Nintendo put more effort into XCX than in the original.



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midrange on 06 December 2015
FunFan said:
Valdath said:


Uhh? it's been what... 3 years? and the Wii U still doesn't have a retail RPG.

 

In fact it's my biggest disappointment about the Wii U, don't get me wrong i love my Wii U but in the RPG department it's a spit to the face:

No Fire Emblem home console game

No Paper Mario RPG home console game

No third party exclusives like Pandora's Tower or The Last Story

And the worst of all, of all the JRPGs that they could have chosen (Golden Sun, Shin Megami Tensei 3rd party exclusive, Advance Wars, Dragon Quest Spinoff, Final Fantasy Chronicles, ETC ETC ETC) they pick a Idol ultra weaboo "rpg" with singing battles and highschool girls fighting dragons in a theater stage.

Seriously, there's so many legendary franchises that deserved the home console treatment... and this garbage gets choosen?

If anything, the Wii U shows Nintendo officially abandoning the RPG genre, Xenoblade isn't enough.

 

The 3DS is an amazing RPG machine though.


Well, you know. I did say "a little bit". Thing is, the support that XCX is receiving from Nintendo (NoA in particular), is noticiably better than with the original. I'm willing to bet that the production values are much higher this time. I don't know, because I haven't played it yet and won't be able to play the game until christmas week due to lack of time T.T, but I'm interested to hear, from those that can play it, if Nintendo put more effort into XCX than in the original.

There is a difference between supporting a game for the sake of a franchise and supporting a game for the sake of a genre. In this case, Nintendo heavily supporting xenoblade X is to make the franchise grow, not because they are trying to be a major player in the rpg genre. Otherwise they would have an rpg on the wii u by now



Normchacho on 06 December 2015

So...I think there is something that needs to be said here. People who game either only, or primarily on Nintendo systems live in an echo chamber. I would know, I spent 12 years living in that echo chamber.

What I mean when I say that, is that when something really good comes out that gets Nintendo fans excited, they all freak out. Then, they just assume that because the core Nintendo fanbase really cares about a particular game, or thinks a game is really important, that everyone else cares or thinks the game is really important, because that's all they're hearing.

Splatoon is a perfect example. Spaltoon is the best Nintendo exclusive shooter maybe ever. This has meant that for months now we've been hearing about how it's a paradigm shift or a Condorde moment for the FPS genre. The problem with that, is that outside of the Nintendo fanbase...nobody cares.

The guy who is buying all the big shooters and spends his weekends playing Zombies or Halo 5 with his friends doesn't care about Splatoon. The guy who's a level 40 in Destiny doesn't care about Splatoon. The normal shooter audience just doesn't care.

The same is likely true for XCX, only to a lesser extent. The person who's already 100 hours into Fallout 4 couldn't give two shits about XCX. Neither could the guy who lost two months of his life to The Witcher 3.

Those games mean a lot to Nintendo gamers, which no doubt has a lot to do with how well Nintendo knows it's audience, but not all that much to the normal fans of those genres.

Splatoon and XCX aren't going to change their respective genres in any meaningful way.



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midrange on 06 December 2015
Normchacho said:
So...I think there is something that needs to be said here. People who game either only, or primarily on Nintendo systems live in an echo chamber. I would know, I spent 12 years living in that echo chamber.

What I mean when I say that, is that when something really good comes out that gets Nintendo fans excited, they all freak out. Then, they just assume that because the core Nintendo fanbase really cares about a particular game, or thinks a game is really important, that everyone else cares or thinks the game is really important, because that's all they're hearing.

Splatoon is a perfect example. Spaltoon is the best Nintendo exclusive shooter maybe ever. This has meant that for months now we've been hearing about how it's a paradigm shift or a Condorde moment for the FPS genre. The problem with that, is that outside of the Nintendo fanbase...nobody cares.

The guy who is buying all the big shooters and spends his weekends playing Zombies or Halo 5 with his friends doesn't care about Splatoon. The guy who's a level 40 in Destiny doesn't care about Splatoon. The normal shooter audience just doesn't care.

The same is likely true for XCX, only to a lesser extent. The person who's already 100 hours into Fallout 4 couldn't give two shits about XCX. Neither could the guy who lost two months of his life to The Witcher 3.

Those games mean a lot to Nintendo gamers, which no doubt has a lot to do with how well Nintendo knows it's audience, but not all that much to the normal fans of those genres.

Splatoon and XCX aren't going to change their respective genres in any meaningful way.

This is ... surprisingly spot on...

I've noticed this in how my friends, who are into rpgs like bloodborne, witcher, and fallout, don't even know about Xenoblade X