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Diablos on 24 November 2015
poklane said:
Diablos said:
poklane said:
Diablos said:
This will give easy justification to down any turks near Syrian airspace and good riddance.

In, not near. Shooting down Turkish aircraft near Syrian territory would be nothing short of attacking Turkey.

And downing the Su24 was what ?

Near is still a threat, and not like Turkey really can do anything if Russia starts downing their aircraft near the border.  Neither NAto (a joke really) nor americans are getting into shooting with Russians.  West is already sanctioning Russia.  

Turkey exercising its right after a Russian jet invaded its airspace.

And near might be a threat, that doesn't mean you have the right to down it. By that awful fucking logic Turkey has the right to sink the Russian destroyed, because it's a threat to Turkey.

And if you honestly think NATO is a joke I'll have 0 reason to respect any of your opinions, NATO is the single largest and powerful military alliance humanity has ever witnessed by a longshot and could wipe any threat of the map within the hour. If Turkey gets attacked by Russia, something you're hoping will happen, I'm hoping Turkey will invoke Article 5 against Russia and we'll see a NATO invasion Russia, which would be completely within NATO's right.


When has Nato done anything of note ? Nato is an arcaic organization with no teeth, you think Germans or French Uk are firing on Russia.  Uk wont even approve air sorties over Syria, but yahh war with Russia.  

Ukraine had treaties and guarentees, where was everyone when they got some what invaded ?  Turks can invoke all they want, none are lifiting a finger on their behalf.   Especially their current pro islamic terror government.  



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mai on 24 November 2015

A Su-24M (red) and F-16 (blue) flight paths according to MoD RF. Right -- hit point, left -- crash site.

BTW ^this is in accordance with released footage showing Su-24M hit in backward hemisphere from behind:



Richmyster6907 on 24 November 2015
Sharu said:
Well... Russia fights ISIS. Now we see that Turkey supports ISIS. The main reason is obviously the oil business of Erdogan and ISIS guys.

The main question now is what will NATO be doing. Which side will it take, Russian or ISIS?

My god this is most uninformed post I have ever seen. For a start if they were in Turkish air space then they had every right to shoot them down if they refused to respond. It does not mean that they support ISIS an organisation that they themselves want to see destroyed. 

Fuck man. 



poklane on 24 November 2015
Diablos said:
poklane said:

Turkey exercising its right after a Russian jet invaded its airspace.

And near might be a threat, that doesn't mean you have the right to down it. By that awful fucking logic Turkey has the right to sink the Russian destroyed, because it's a threat to Turkey.

And if you honestly think NATO is a joke I'll have 0 reason to respect any of your opinions, NATO is the single largest and powerful military alliance humanity has ever witnessed by a longshot and could wipe any threat of the map within the hour. If Turkey gets attacked by Russia, something you're hoping will happen, I'm hoping Turkey will invoke Article 5 against Russia and we'll see a NATO invasion Russia, which would be completely within NATO's right.

When has Nato done anything of note ? Nato is an arcaic organization with no teeth, you think Germans or French Uk are firing on Russia. Uk wont even approve air sorties over Syria, but yahh war with Russia.  

Ukraine had treaties and guarentees, where was everyone when they got some what invaded ?  Turks can invoke all they want, none are lifiting a finger on their behalf.   Especially their current pro islamic terror government.  

You clearly don't seem to be aware about what kind of alliance NATO is. NATO is a defensive alliance, not offensive. Sure, NATO countries can take on offensive measures if needed, but is in no way an offensive military alliance. Also, NATO didn't have any mutual defense treaties with Ukraine, something which you seem to have completely made up. Attacking NATO equals suicide, just admit it. NATO members could go as far as to start a genocide against Russians in former Russia occupied territories and Russia wouldn't do shit. Why? It's suicide.



Diablos on 24 November 2015
Richmyster6907 said:
Sharu said:
Well... Russia fights ISIS. Now we see that Turkey supports ISIS. The main reason is obviously the oil business of Erdogan and ISIS guys.

The main question now is what will NATO be doing. Which side will it take, Russian or ISIS?

My god this is most uninformed post I have ever seen. For a start if they were in Turkish air space then they had every right to shoot them down if they refused to respond. It does not mean that they support ISIS an organisation that they themselves want to see destroyed. 

Fuck man. 

Turkey openly let isis fighters through their borders to figtht he Kurds.   This is common knowledge.  

Any isis jiadists easiet path into Europe is through Turkey.  Prime minister of turkey does not even consider isis a terrorist organization.  



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Diablos on 24 November 2015
poklane said:

You clearly don't seem to be aware about what kind of alliance NATO is. NATO is a defensive alliance, not offensive. Sure, NATO countries can take on offensive measures if needed, but is in no way an offensive military alliance. Also, NATO didn't have any mutual defense treaties with Ukraine, something which you seem to have completely made up. Attacking NATO equals suicide, just admit it. NATO members could go as far as to start a genocide against Russians in former Russia occupied territories and Russia wouldn't do shit. Why? It's suicide.


Never said Ukraine was nato so stop making stuff up, they had signed a treatie and had sovereigntie guarentees for giving up their nukes.   Signiture on a paper means nothing.

Russia can nuke the whole world out of existance, nato nor anybody is doing shit to them.  Why its suicide.

No one is dying or starting a war over a few downed turkish airplanes. 

 



mai on 24 November 2015
mai said:

A Su-24M (red) and F-16 (blue) flight paths according to MoD RF. Right -- hit point, left -- crash site.

BTW ^this is in accordance with released footage showing Su-24M hit in backward hemisphere from behind:

Also video of an interception (Su-24M -- red, F16 -- green):



poklane on 24 November 2015
Diablos said:
poklane said:

You clearly don't seem to be aware about what kind of alliance NATO is. NATO is a defensive alliance, not offensive. Sure, NATO countries can take on offensive measures if needed, but is in no way an offensive military alliance. Also, NATO didn't have any mutual defense treaties with Ukraine, something which you seem to have completely made up. Attacking NATO equals suicide, just admit it. NATO members could go as far as to start a genocide against Russians in former Russia occupied territories and Russia wouldn't do shit. Why? It's suicide.

Never said Ukraine was nato so stop making stuff up, they had signed a treatie and had sovereigntie guarentees for giving up their nukes.   Signiture on a paper means nothing.

Russia can nuke the whole world out of existance, nato nor anybody is doing shit to them.  Why its suicide.

No one is dying or starting a war over a few downed turkish airplanes. 

You're saying nobody will start a war over attacking the biggest defensive military alliance in history, yet you say and are hoping Russia might start a war over a single jet which was shot down due to their fault. Do you realize how stupid the shit you're saying right now is?

And like you said: Russia using nukes would nuke the world out of existance, which is suicide. If you and I were having a fist fight, would you fight with me until one of us surrenders or would you kill me knowing that if you kill me you'd also die? You'd probably fight me until one of us surrenders, just like Russia would fight a NATO-Russian war until one surrenders or goes for the diplomatic solution.



poklane on 24 November 2015
mai said:

Also video of an interception:

Not working?



mai on 24 November 2015
poklane said:
mai said:

Also video of an interception.

Not working?

VGC does not want to embed JW player, fixed with direct link. Ignore the article, video is from MoD.