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Alby_da_Wolf on 15 November 2015
binary solo said:
episteme said:

The UC collection. It's over 300K with bundles, but the PS4s include a digital voucher. Or did VGC start to include digital numbers?

Destiny: TKK is under 200K at retail at #7 and UC is #9 in the NPD report.

When you look back at the numbers VGC gave for AC Black flag sales back when the AC bundle was selling big, it's clear that VGC counts digital sales when its attached to a hardware bundle, because it's easily countable. So until confirmed otherwise I'm taking the VGC NDC sales as including bundles. because historically that seems to be what VGC has done. I expect the Halo 5 sales to reflect this too.

Yeah, they confirmed it many times: if it can be counted, they count it.





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S.Peelman on 15 November 2015

Remember when Assassin's Creed, Just Dance and Guitar Hero were big things? Zelda did pretty terrible as well. Halo next week will be interesting as well.



episteme on 15 November 2015
binary solo said:

When you look back at the numbers VGC gave for AC Black flag sales back when the AC bundle was selling big, it's clear that VGC counts digital sales when its attached to a hardware bundle, because it's easily countable. So until confirmed otherwise I'm taking the VGC NDC sales as including bundles. because historically that seems to be what VGC has done. I expect the Halo 5 sales to reflect this too.

Ok, I didn't know that. The tracking of Wind Waker HD starts with the release of the physical version, the bundle with a download code was availabe earlier. And Bloodborne's digital sales during summer in Japan (came with every console at big retailers) aren't counted. Seems to be inconsistent.



Kresnik on 15 November 2015
Boutros said:

I'm pretty sure VGC includes digital copies from bundles in their numbers.


You're correct.  They just forget sometimes.  I remember they didn't tracked the vouchers for Walking Dead Vita, but they did for Borderlands.

Point being, anyway, that they do count vouchers.

 

OT: Lol, those figures for Zestiria.  The figures for Legend of Legacy and Corpse Party last week were pretty hilarious too.



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binary solo on 15 November 2015
episteme said:
binary solo said:

When you look back at the numbers VGC gave for AC Black flag sales back when the AC bundle was selling big, it's clear that VGC counts digital sales when its attached to a hardware bundle, because it's easily countable. So until confirmed otherwise I'm taking the VGC NDC sales as including bundles. because historically that seems to be what VGC has done. I expect the Halo 5 sales to reflect this too.

Ok, I didn't know that. The tracking of Wind Waker HD starts with the release of the physical version, the bundle with a download code was availabe earlier. And  Bloodborne's digital sales during summer in Japan (came with every console) aren't counted, too.

Isn't it the case that VGC largely bases it's Japan estimates on MC/Famitsu numbers? So Japan numbers might be a slightly different kettle of fish.

VGC hasn't reported Halo 5 sales from the 20th -24th of October even though that digital code started to be distributed on the 20th, but I expect they will include those digital codes that went out with Halo 5 bundles during that time in the sales numbers for the official launch week. They *should* have done the same with WWHD, do we have any independant evidence to suggest they didn't do that? I do think over all it's better to not start reporting game sales until the official launch week.



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Welfare on 15 November 2015
Boutros said:
Believe me Machina you can cut those Tales of Zestiria numbers by at least 150k.


Cream just posted that it did ~58k for all of October. 



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Kresnik on 16 November 2015

Indeed, Cream has been posting numbers:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185616947&postcount=5598

Halo5 bundle < Uncharted bundle


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185621120&postcount=5628

AC: PS4 ~ 57%
Toraifōsu ~ 83k
robo ~ 35k
wooly ~ 165k
transformers ~ 38k

 

(That's Zelda Tri Force Heroes and Chibi Robo, I believe)

 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=185621882&postcount=5636

toz ~ 58k
d5 ~ 26k
dq ~ 31k

jd2016 ~ 38k, Wii ~ 39%



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jlmurph2 on 16 November 2015
Kresnik said:

toz ~ 58k
d5 ~ 26k
dq ~ 31k


This is why MS isn't throwing too much of their money into Japanese titles from devs that don't care about X1. I really hope Scalebound doesn't meet the same fate.



Boutros on 16 November 2015
Machina said:
Boutros said:
Believe me Machina you can cut those Tales of Zestiria numbers by at least 150k.


I don't disagree. Problem was the pre-orders figures from retailers. Brett's going to have to go back and re-adjust all the pre-order charts.


Edit - I suspect there's a problem with RPGs being over-represented by the retailers we get data from. Not something I feel qualified to adjust yet though. Gonna have to pass it on to Brett and hope he can fix it.

Edit 2 - Brett's fixed the figures for Tales (including pre-order figures) and made some corrections to account for the fact that, as suspected (and many of you have pointed out in the past) our samples for JRPGs in particular seem heavily skewed, which is producing some really high extrapolations, so hopefully this doesn't happen again.

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OfficerRaichu15 on 17 November 2015
Machina said:
Boutros said:
Believe me Machina you can cut those Tales of Zestiria numbers by at least 150k.


I don't disagree. Problem was the pre-orders figures from retailers. Brett's going to have to go back and re-adjust all the pre-order charts.


Edit - I suspect there's a problem with RPGs being over-represented by the retailers we get data from. Not something I feel qualified to adjust yet though. Gonna have to pass it on to Brett and hope he can fix it.

Edit 2 - Brett's fixed the figures for Tales (including pre-order figures) and made some corrections to account for the fact that, as suspected (and many of you have pointed out in the past) our samples for JRPGs in particular seem heavily skewed, which is producing some really high extrapolations, so hopefully this doesn't happen again.

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