So, are you convinced or still skeptic about psv being hugely overtracked just due to the huge adjustment up of april?  You seem convinced anymore, so there's one member left to face the truth, let's see if  that specific member will finally accept it, or keep attacking me...

Even if it was, come on, all things add up, first the sony executive and the psp figure that for some people sounded as random thing, while in a line shows that it's not and professional journalists, I guess ign have that kind of journalist, commonly use outdated numbers not made up by them numbers, another source that claimed that is a rounded number, which proved that it is ( I wasn't sure about that), now the estimation from Cesa...

Also, I have send an email to the writer of IGN article to  inform me further!:P I want to learn the exact discussion! :P

And... As I had said you previously, vgc after the adjustement up (+1.3m, of which 1m+ to europe), considering europe the best selling territory of psv, and giving it  consistently, higher selling weeks (constantly 20k) in Europe than in Japan, where psv has a third party support+the advantage of handheld console market  dominance, was very suspicious and looks not legitimate!

It's never too late....

So the proof was an "estimate". Think the thread OP needs updating as these are not "Official" figures. Ouch after such a patronising thread.

However, I think many of us thought the Vita update was too big earlier in the year, and yes, that includes the Vita userbase.

But really, is the exact date the Wii U overtakes the Vita really so important? Because it really is pretty transparent that, that was the real purpose of this thread, as with the previous one a few weeks ago. "How can we discredit Vita figures so we can claim our *victory*!".

So what? All things add up for the topic...
I will update the op, but don't expose yourself  toο much with such a sly dig/sideswipe towards me... ;)

Νο the important thing is vgc to not have huge error  in sales, especially when it can be avoided...

The pretty trasparent thing, is that some people ache too much for that to not happen and start accusing me/make innuendos/allusion about my consoles preferences, it's a big foul...

Let me ask you, 3DS is overtracked too, I have send a message to ioi for that too (before doing the first psv thread) , what's the purpose of that? Enlight me!

And I didn't farbicate anything to discredit psv sales, I give strong misgivings about its misguided huge adjustment up back in April (what was the reason about that, I have pointed out why, due to a misapprehension but also by the constant suffocating pressure of a specific member, that member where did he based his claimings? Nowhere, groundless assumptions, at least assumptions in order to be made need a base/evidence)! And you had praise that member for that...

I'm coming round to the idea, though the fact that the Vita numbers were estimated by CESA still makes me skeptical that they know what's going on and aren't just making it.

By the way, I never attacked you?

That last paragraph, you know I hate to be mean about this, but if you know your English skills in large blocks of text to be poor, don't beat around the bush and come out directly with what you mean it will be far easier for people to read.

Regarding the sales figures and this comment "Νο the important thing is vgc to not have huge error  in sales, especially when it can be avoided..." Figures here try to be within a percentage margin of error so even if you think the Vita sales were currently off by 1million units, it would mean an error of less than 9%, I'm not sure but you do seem to be taking it slightly personally perhaps from the comments from others here that you feel the need to prove you to be 100% accurate and sadly the thing is Sony haven't been fantastic with the Vita sales figures so you can't expect to ever get the figure exactly right.

Regarding the email you sent to ign asking for exact information on where they got their figures, how did you even begin to word that? I don't mean to come off harsh to you, but a professional company is unlikely to explain their findings and figures to other gaming journalists or experts, even less so a 17 year old who isn't happy with number inaccuracy about the Vita (as others have pointed out, sadly at this stage getting an exact number of Vita sales is like trying to figure out exactly to the millisecond time of the person who came last in a race, it isn't a number which matters a huge amount regardless of how high or low it is)

But on topic I tried to work out some of what you meant in the OP and you've clearly put a lot of thought into what you're getting at here, I would say if you are going to try to pass along some of this work to Brett on here to have him look over the Vita numbers (when he gets time to look over and adjust any numbers) maybe spend a little bit extra time giving it a proof read since otherwise a lot of your hard work could be lost if people can't understand it.

Never, you were mostly polite... (You were a little bit harsh in some lines but it was excusable, contrary to another one person...)

I'm talking for someone else...

Instead of just impeaching me, take the paragraph and tell me what you don't understand, to fix it and help me to improve my skills, why I'm supposed to decipher what people can't comprehend?

What's so difficult? Explain me, you don't make a person better if you just scathe him, omitting to show him his mistakes...

What you're asking me for here is a language lesson, I'm afraid that if I pass someone on the streets who has pissed themselves and I say "whoa you've pissed your pants" that doesn't mean I'm going to bring over a change of pants and try to figure out where it all went wrong.

Could offer you a tip, like I said in my first paragraph reply to you, don't beat around the bush because in your second language it doesn't work

"I give strong misgivings about its misguided huge adjustment up back in April (what was the reason about that, I have pointed out why, due to a misapprehension but also by the constant suffocating pressure of a specific member, that member where did he based his claimings? Nowhere, groundless assumptions, at least assumptions in order to be made need a base/evidence)! And you had praise that member for that..."

"I think the April adjustment was a mistake (Mikerox says I'm wrong, I'd like to see why he thinks that) Mikerox doesn't rock"

Just picture English as a sword you haven't quite perfected, don't swing it about fancily! just stab your points out directly and it might make slightly more sense.

- I'll expect the tuition fee or a "thank you" in the mail, if that isn't coming don't ask for another lesson, because emailing and messaging people on the internet "Do this for me!" with nothing in return is entitled mania, and I can't stand that.

Yeah, psv has sold 446k in France by the end of 2014 and 600k as of June 2015 in spain, so it has truly sold more in spain than in france despite the market size difference, but that fact wasn't meaning that it was undertracked in other european countries... Vgc has it at 468k at france by that time interval, good tracking!

http://www.latribune.fr/technos-medias/20150210trib562875d47/jeux-video-retour-a-la-croissance-pour-un-marche-francais-tire-par-les-consoles.html

Now to 9.76m figure of shipments by the end of 2015! Sony had shipped 450k psp+psv in FY14 Q4, which implies, that psv is at 10.2m and less by that time (that quarter was psp's end of life quarter, so the majority of the figure represents psv, we can pretty easily assume! Possibly 400k, with that psv must be at 10.16m by that time, not 10.5m as I had extrapolated on a previous thread based on the psp 82m...

Which is finally being proved to be really a rounded number as the source pointing out, and that is more than 82m, at 82.3m it seems!

Also global sales from it's launch till January 2013 were at 4m vs 4.4m of vgc!

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/jan/04/playstation-2-manufacture-ends-years It's overtracked by 400k since 2013!

http://www.vgchartz.com/weekly/41301/Global/

Ioi had psv at 10.3m as of March 31th, while the shipments were at 10.16m (before adjusting up by 1.3m ->11.6m, most of it went in europe), ergo he was moderately overtracking it! Apparently, it's thr surplus of 400k which comes from 2013.

The tracking was decent, the adjustment up ruined it though!
Usually vgc errors aren't huge, and there are succesful/perfect or aprroximate numbers, but this kind of error can't be ignored! Mostly, the issue is the adjustment back in April...

In consequence, psv was likely at 9.9m units sold by March 31th with 300k units on the shelves, reasonable, for it's selling rate...


Here's the last paragraph and the gist of thread, people who accused me (some without having the courage to do it in a direct way) that they can't understand what it says, (I have recognized that the op is intricate but I don't find what is imcomprehensilbe), please tell me what you need to be clarified, or note me my mistakes (grammar/expression e.t.c) to correct them!