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Agree with the Canadian Prime Minister?

Yes 37 16.59%
 
No 138 61.88%
 
I couldn't care less 47 21.08%
 
Total:222
Cubedramirez said:
Oh Canada.. Out of all the issues facing women today like the slave markets run by ISIS to the thousands of rapes monthly in India and not to mention the issues in Africa. Your newly elected bright eyed bushy tail man child decided to stake his name on Gamergate and even take the wrong low information position on it.

Just elected and between saying he'll stop joint strikes against ISIS and bring in thousands of refugees from that wonderful corner of the world I can't help but to laugh at that child.

Do you really mean that? I mean, is this real?



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The sooner this GG thingy completely disappears the better. Nothing good came out of it, it was just a plague that swept over us and turned people into idiots. On one side you had the so-called SJWs and radical feminists doing stupid stuff, whining, generalising and labeling everyone that didn't agree with their point-of-view. On the other side you had anti-SJW's doing...well, the same thing really. Those wanting to have civil conversations about topics such as misogyny and ethics (and let's face it, these are topics that absolutely should be discussed, because they're important) couldn't because of the noise made by the extremists.



LivingMetal said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Video games, imo, fall into the umbrella of art. You can't dictate what artists are going to make. As long as someone wants to see women half naked with their fake boobs bouncing around, someone is going to put it into a game.

Rockstar will never bow down to these fascists.


As an artist, I respectfully disagree with you that video games fall under the umbrella of art.


If writing is an art form... if story telling... is an art form... then a video game based on story and writing is, art. I didn't play FFX because of it's twitch gameplay. I played it to find out what happened to Tidus. It moved me, and millions of other people emotionally far beyond "push x really fast and beat bad guys up". 

Remember that Japanese commercial for the PS3 remake? Where it's nothing but the music of the game and people crying? Some games do fall under the same umbrella of art. Not all, but some. There is no difference in a good movie, song or game. 



forest-spirit said:
The sooner this GG thingy completely disappears the better. Nothing good came out of it, it was just a plague that swept over us and turned people into idiots. On one side you had the so-called SJWs and radical feminists doing stupid stuff, whining, generalising and labeling everyone that didn't agree with their point-of-view. On the other side you had anti-SJW's doing...well, the same thing really. Those wanting to have civil conversations about topics such as misogyny and ethics (and let's face it, these are topics that absolutely should be discussed, because they're important) couldn't because of the noise made by the extremists.

Sorry, that's simply untrue.  Many, many websites updated and made publicly available their ethics policies, also the FTC setting new guidelines for properly notifying your customers what is and isn't paid advertising is also something good that came of it.

Also, the SPJ Airplay discussion was quite productive, and is leading to some great things, such as the SXSW #SavePoint event

As well as the Gaming Journalism awards that the SPJ (Society of Professional Journalists) are working towards spearheading.

Yes, the extremists made this discussion difficult, however, those who really cared about the situation put forth the effort to be heard, to get their message out, and to actually effect change.  Gamergate still exists, but more as a watch dog.  Pointing out bad behavior, and ethical breeches.  

So, to say nothing good came of it is disingenuous, and ignores the very real things that have occurred as a result.



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forest-spirit said:
The sooner this GG thingy completely disappears the better. Nothing good came out of it, it was just a plague that swept over us and turned people into idiots. On one side you had the so-called SJWs and radical feminists doing stupid stuff, whining, generalising and labeling everyone that didn't agree with their point-of-view. On the other side you had anti-SJW's doing...well, the same thing really. Those wanting to have civil conversations about topics such as misogyny and ethics (and let's face it, these are topics that absolutely should be discussed, because they're important) couldn't because of the noise made by the extremists.

Interesting, I don't remember anti-SJW's going to the UN and trying to redefine criticsm as harassment....



padib said:
bouzane said:

I am personally of the opinion that politicians often have bad intentions and it is the duty of the people to keep them in check. When my local MP votes against my rights I openly confront him. I am all in favor of cooperation but we should never accept extremists or their views and policies.

When you ask each one of them the question, they will say that they love Canada and will do everything, heart and soul, to serve it.

Then they take measures to get to their goals and these measures polarize over time. They don't wake up in the morning trying to hurt Canada, all of the 3 official party leaders are extremely loyal to their country.

Similar in the OP topic. Trudeau sides with feminism. The measures he takes to serve that idealism can be effective or ineffective.

Of course, not being into gaming or the world of gaming forums and journalism, his idea of the whole thing is limited. I don't think it's fair to judge him on it.


I'm not trying to offend but you strike me as incredibly naive. If I wanted to damage Canada I would simply become a politician. The average voter is gullible and they assume that politicians have good intentions. I would mask my attacks by creating legislation that would curb civil liberties under the guise of security, create strife by supplying arms to Sunni fascists under the pretense that they would be moderates fighting against Communists and I'd sign glorified unequal treaties and tout them as free trade. I would pour hundreds of billions of dollars into corporate welfare to support industries that damage the environment and interfere in our political system while contributing little to the economy. I would pretend to take a tough stance on crime only to burden the court system with petty drug offenders. I would cut military spending, join conflicts where Canada has no national interests and spout damaging rhetoric to make enemies with powerful nations such as Russia. I would destroy government organizations meant to protect the health and wellbeing of the people and call it cost cutting in order to balance a budget that I myself unbalanced in the first place. I would build unnecessary prisons and procure costly and ineffective military ordinance, sponsor religious schools, allow rampant unchecked immigration, antagonize minorities and foster racism. I would fear monger and mudsling, undermine the free media and control the narrative through state sponsored ad campaigns. I would essentially do everything that Harper did and people would vote for me by the millions while I cut their throats. In the end they would claim that my intents were all pure and good without examining what I actually accomplished and I would likely get re-elected. Do not ever assume that the man in power wants what is best for the people when the opposite is often true.

Edit: I'm reminded of the time I went book burning with some priests. One was the head of a Church and confided in me that he was an atheist that despised organized religion. We piled up all manner of bible, lit it all on fire and watched it burn through the night. The fools that attend their Church didn't have a damn clue that the men who preached to them hated their faith. Your greatest enemy is often the man who shakes your hand while offerening a smile which seems so sincere.



padib said:

Of course, not being into gaming or the world of gaming forums and journalism, his idea of the whole thing is limited. I don't think it's fair to judge him on it.

On the contrary: as a person in a position of power, it behooves him to get educated on a subject before spouting off about it in a public forum. I get the impression he knows about as much about the subject as I do, but where that leads me to largely keep mum about it, he decides to include it in one of his first addreses as head of state. Of course, this assumes his understanding of the topic is actually limited.



padib said:
bouzane said:


I'm not trying to offend but you strike me as incredibly naive. If I wanted to damage Canada I would simply become a politician. The average voter is gullible and they assume that politicians have good intentions. I would mask my attacks by creating legislation that would curb civil liberties under the guise of security, create strife by supplying arms to Sunni fascists under the pretense that they would be moderates fighting against Communists and I'd sign glorified unequal treaties and tout them as free trade. I would pour hundreds of billions of dollars into corporate welfare to support industries that damage the environment and interfere in our political system while contributing little to the economy. I would pretend to take a tough stance on crime only to burden the court system with petty drug offenders. I would cut military spending, join conflicts where Canada has no national interests and spout damaging rhetoric to make enemies with powerful nations such as Russia. I would destroy government organizations meant to protect the health and wellbeing of the people and call it cost cutting in order to balance a budget that I myself unbalanced in the first place. I would build unnecessary prisons and procure costly and ineffective military ordinance, sponsor religious schools, allow rampant unchecked immigration, antagonize minorities and foster racism. I would fear monger and mudsling, undermine the free media and control the narrative through state sponsored ad campaigns. I would essentially do everything that Harper did and people would vote for me by the millions while I cut their throats. In the end they would claim that my intents were all pure and good without examining what I actually accomplished and I would likely get re-elected. Do not ever assume that the man in power wants what is best for the people when the opposite is often true.

But you're only proving me right. One example I'll hand-pick, bolded:

What motive would he have to fill the court system with petty offenders? If you trace it back, the motive is to increase security for the good of Canada, but the result is counter-productive.

Which just serves to further my point. There are rarely any evil intentions, only evil results. The best example is the curbing of civil liberties due to the perceived need for greater security.

I think we actually agree and no I'm not naive, though I understand why you would think that.

Well, I can't speak for Canadian policies, but in the US Petty offenders are a gold-mine to the privatized prison industry.  



padib said:
bouzane said:


I'm not trying to offend but you strike me as incredibly naive. If I wanted to damage Canada I would simply become a politician. The average voter is gullible and they assume that politicians have good intentions. I would mask my attacks by creating legislation that would curb civil liberties under the guise of security, create strife by supplying arms to Sunni fascists under the pretense that they would be moderates fighting against Communists and I'd sign glorified unequal treaties and tout them as free trade. I would pour hundreds of billions of dollars into corporate welfare to support industries that damage the environment and interfere in our political system while contributing little to the economy. I would pretend to take a tough stance on crime only to burden the court system with petty drug offenders. I would cut military spending, join conflicts where Canada has no national interests and spout damaging rhetoric to make enemies with powerful nations such as Russia. I would destroy government organizations meant to protect the health and wellbeing of the people and call it cost cutting in order to balance a budget that I myself unbalanced in the first place. I would build unnecessary prisons and procure costly and ineffective military ordinance, sponsor religious schools, allow rampant unchecked immigration, antagonize minorities and foster racism. I would fear monger and mudsling, undermine the free media and control the narrative through state sponsored ad campaigns. I would essentially do everything that Harper did and people would vote for me by the millions while I cut their throats. In the end they would claim that my intents were all pure and good without examining what I actually accomplished and I would likely get re-elected. Do not ever assume that the man in power wants what is best for the people when the opposite is often true.

But you're only proving me right. One example I'll hand-pick, bolded:

What motive would he have to fill the court system with petty offenders? If you trace it back, the motive is to increase security for the good of Canada, but the result is counter-productive.

Which just serves to further my point. There are rarely any evil intentions, only evil results. The best example is the curbing of civil liberties due to the perceived need for greater security.

I think we actually agree and no I'm not naive, though I understand why you would think that.


Sorry but nobody in power is stupid enough to believe that marijauan prohibition is a good idea. People of such limited intellect do not gain such positions of power. Harper knew that potheads were not a security risk and by persecuting them he could:

  • waste tremendous amounts of money
  • burden the courts with unnecessary cases
  • strengthen ties with Sunni Fascists such as Saudi Arabia
  • polarize the electorate and society in general
  • spread misinformation
  • undermine civil liberties
  • divert attention from serious crimes and his lack of action concerning them

 

The best part is that you will never convince a large segment of the population that his actions were intentionally harmful. That's why it is so easy for me to undermine those that I hate. I can walk right up to them, exchange pleasantries and immediately convince them to implement policies that will weaken their organizations while empowering their enemies. I mingle with the people I am actively attacking and they are none the wiser because they give me the benefit of a doubt. Men with power never do this much damage without it being deliberate.