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Darwinianevolution said:
Miyamotoo said:

It doesn't mean that Nintendo Direct will be right before quarter report because next week would be too much Nintendo news in few days, I think better chances for Nintendo Direct, new membership program and mobile game revel are this weak.


Whenever it is, I'm sure it will come before the 28th, investors love to see the reaction of the fans (as long as it can be translated into money XD).

And Nintendo need staffs and plans that can be said to investors. :)



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That's great news for everyone in the gaming industry, really.

If true.



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biglittlesps said:
Miyamotoo said:

It matters only official price, and official price by end of next year will be minimum $299 for PS4. Today almost every console comes with  free game.

You think PS4 will have only life of 5 year, only 3 years more!? I really doubt it, more likely we are geting PS5 in 2019-2020 not 2018.

Of Course Nintendo didn't announce any game for NX when they still didn't revel NX itself.

You think Nintendo started to work on games for NX just now!? They working on NX games probably from 2014, also its almost certain that some unannounced Wii U projects are moved to NX. From 2014. Nintendo working just on Wii U and 3DS games that are already announced (except few exceptions), majority of other Nintendo teams are working hard on games for NX. Also one year is more than enuf for 3rd party to do a port. This E3, just few numbers of new WiiU/3DS games, everyone can see that Nintendo is preparing launch for end of next year, by end of next year we could easily have new 3D Mario, port of Zelda U, Retro game, Pokemon...

NX will not have higher price than PS4, for home console Nintendo is probably aiming $249-299 price point and it will be cross platform of few devices.

PS3 had only life cycle of appox 6 years only which was launched at 2006-07 to 2013 (PS4 launched). This generation going to be even shorter so PS5 will launch in 2018 Holidays with full PS4 compatiblity to catch up with their PS VR games and PS4 will still receive support for 2 more years like PS3 did, so ultimately PS4 going to get support around 6-7 years before Sony pulls the plug.

We can say same thing for Wii U also which had poor launch library even though it had more time for first party to get ready. These days AAA games need around 2-3 years so its not easy for nintendo to get ready for next year in 2 years even if they started development in 2014. So even if NX home console launched in 2016 then it will have same fate of poor launch library which is why im thinkg that NX home console will come in 2017.

I agree that NX will b cheaper or same as PS4 but wont be powerful than PS4.

PS3 was launch in November 2006 in US and Japan and in March in EU, PS4 was launch in November 2013. in US and EU and in February in Japan, thats 7 whole years, not 6. I cant see PS4 last only 5 years or only 3 more years, I dont see PS5 before 2019.

No we can't say same thing about Wii U launch. Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.

You wrote AAA games need 2-3 years to develop, so if Nintendo start working on some games in 2014, at end of 2016. those game will be exactly 2-3 years in development. Development of Mario 3D game takes 2-3 years maximum, Nintendo finisheld Mario 3D World in 2013. and shortly after that they confirmed they working on new 3D Mario game. Zelda U port on NX is also almost certain, Pikmin 4 is nearly finished, Retro is working one new game from 2013. at end of next year it will be around 3 full years in development, and those are only things that are generally known, for all other Nintendo teams we dont know how long they working and on whats games they are working. Even only with new 3D Mario game and Zelda U port NX will have much stronger launch lineup than Wii U had with "NSMB HD", Nintendo Land and ZombiU, but i dont think Nintendo will launch NX just with those 2 games.

Saying that, Nintendo will do what's necessary to not make same mistakes like they done with Wii U, in this case bad launch lineup, if they can't prepare enuf game for launch and first year, they will launch NX in 2017, but all indicates that they can prepare good launch for end of next year and that they will launch NX then.

I think NX home console will have power around XboxOne power and in that case probably will have cheaper price than PS4, but again Nintendo can easily make console with PS4 like power or even higher in 2016. and sell it at same price or cheaper than PS4.



Darwinianevolution said:
goopy20 said:
Kinda doubt it to be honest. Even if it were, all multiplatform games would still look pretty much identical as on ps4/ X1 as that would be the lead platform.

Well, the point of the power upgrade is not to become the go-to system to develop, it's to be able to play multiplats without important downgrades. When the PS5 and the XBox Two come out, they'll be more powerful than the NX and become the standard, but by that time, Nintendo may have repaired their third party situation and gotten enough support to sell a decent amount of hardware.


It's always good to have hope.



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Wii U is much more powerful than Ps360 but less powerful than Ps4/XBO. Devs praised Wii U power then but later shunned it. So who knows. Not bothered either way. Love the Wii U,Love my PS4. Great games to play.



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Miyamotoo said:
biglittlesps said:

PS3 had only life cycle of appox 6 years only which was launched at 2006-07 to 2013 (PS4 launched). This generation going to be even shorter so PS5 will launch in 2018 Holidays with full PS4 compatiblity to catch up with their PS VR games and PS4 will still receive support for 2 more years like PS3 did, so ultimately PS4 going to get support around 6-7 years before Sony pulls the plug.

We can say same thing for Wii U also which had poor launch library even though it had more time for first party to get ready. These days AAA games need around 2-3 years so its not easy for nintendo to get ready for next year in 2 years even if they started development in 2014. So even if NX home console launched in 2016 then it will have same fate of poor launch library which is why im thinkg that NX home console will come in 2017.

I agree that NX will b cheaper or same as PS4 but wont be powerful than PS4.

PS3 was launch in November 2006 in US and Japan and in March in EU, PS4 was launch in November 2013. in US and EU and in February in Japan, thats 7 whole years, not 6. I cant see PS4 last only 5 years or only 3 more years, I dont see PS5 before 2019.

No we can't say same thing about Wii U launch. Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.

You wrote AAA games need 2-3 years to develop, so if Nintendo start working on some games in 2014, at end of 2016. those game will be exactly 2-3 years in development. Development of Mario 3D game takes 2-3 years maximum, Nintendo finisheld Mario 3D World in 2013. and shortly after that they confirmed they working on new 3D Mario game. Zelda U port on NX is also almost certain, Pikmin 4 is nearly finished, Retro is working one new game from 2013. at end of next year it will be around 3 full years in development, and those are only things that are generally known, for all other Nintendo teams we dont know how long they working and on whats games they are working. Even only with new 3D Mario game and Zelda U port NX will have much stronger launch lineup than Wii U had with "NSMB HD", Nintendo Land and ZombiU, but i dont think Nintendo will launch NX just with those 2 games.

Saying that, Nintendo will do what's necessary to not make same mistakes like they done with Wii U, in this case bad launch lineup, if they can't prepare enuf game for launch and first year, they will launch NX in 2017, but all indicates that they can prepare good launch for end of next year and that they will launch NX then.

I think NX home console will have power around XboxOne power and in that case probably will have cheaper price than PS4, but again Nintendo can easily make console with PS4 like power or even higher in 2016. and sell it at same price or cheaper than PS4.


Yes,... Nintendo won't repeat the same mistakes... like having poor third party support since N64 in all their consoles. Or lacking launch of 3DS that they said they learnt the lesson, but then repeated in WiiU... you are far too optimistic if you think everything will go well and it will sell a lot.



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DonFerrari said:
Miyamotoo said:

PS3 was launch in November 2006 in US and Japan and in March in EU, PS4 was launch in November 2013. in US and EU and in February in Japan, thats 7 whole years, not 6. I cant see PS4 last only 5 years or only 3 more years, I dont see PS5 before 2019.

No we can't say same thing about Wii U launch. Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.

You wrote AAA games need 2-3 years to develop, so if Nintendo start working on some games in 2014, at end of 2016. those game will be exactly 2-3 years in development. Development of Mario 3D game takes 2-3 years maximum, Nintendo finisheld Mario 3D World in 2013. and shortly after that they confirmed they working on new 3D Mario game. Zelda U port on NX is also almost certain, Pikmin 4 is nearly finished, Retro is working one new game from 2013. at end of next year it will be around 3 full years in development, and those are only things that are generally known, for all other Nintendo teams we dont know how long they working and on whats games they are working. Even only with new 3D Mario game and Zelda U port NX will have much stronger launch lineup than Wii U had with "NSMB HD", Nintendo Land and ZombiU, but i dont think Nintendo will launch NX just with those 2 games.

Saying that, Nintendo will do what's necessary to not make same mistakes like they done with Wii U, in this case bad launch lineup, if they can't prepare enuf game for launch and first year, they will launch NX in 2017, but all indicates that they can prepare good launch for end of next year and that they will launch NX then.

I think NX home console will have power around XboxOne power and in that case probably will have cheaper price than PS4, but again Nintendo can easily make console with PS4 like power or even higher in 2016. and sell it at same price or cheaper than PS4.


Yes,... Nintendo won't repeat the same mistakes... like having poor third party support since N64 in all their consoles. Or lacking launch of 3DS that they said they learnt the lesson, but then repeated in WiiU... you are far too optimistic if you think everything will go well and it will sell a lot.

Well Nintendo will always have smaller third party support than MS and Sony because most of Nintendo buyers buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games in in comparison with MS/Sony which lots a people buy them for third party. Also, third party always had worst sales on Nintendo platforms. I dont think Nintendo will ever have third party support like MS/Soni but definitely can have much better support than this gen, maybe like they had on GameCube or better, and Nintendo is doing staffs in order to have better support, better communication and better devs kit, better and easy hardware for developing and porting, cross developing for more than one devices...

 

I already wrote why Wii U had bad launch and 1st year lineup (paragraph down), and with NX Nintendo will not have those problems. I dont think I am too optimistic, I think I am objective beacuse all this things I wrote are based on facts and Nintendo plans with NX. You have to realize that current generation will be Nintendo worst generation ever, and Nintendo is changing and they changing lotsa things in order to next generation be much successful than this one, so that means correction of mistakes that they made this gen.

Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.



Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:


Yes,... Nintendo won't repeat the same mistakes... like having poor third party support since N64 in all their consoles. Or lacking launch of 3DS that they said they learnt the lesson, but then repeated in WiiU... you are far too optimistic if you think everything will go well and it will sell a lot.

Well Nintendo will always have smaller third party support than MS and Sony because most of Nintendo buyers buy Nintendo consoles for Nintendo games in in comparison with MS/Sony which lots a people buy them for third party. Also, third party always had worst sales on Nintendo platforms. I dont think Nintendo will ever have third party support like MS/Soni but definitely can have much better support than this gen, maybe like they had on GameCube or better, and Nintendo is doing staffs in order to have better support, better communication and better devs kit, better and easy hardware for developing and porting, cross developing for more than one devices...

 

I already wrote why Wii U had bad launch and 1st year lineup (paragraph down), and with NX Nintendo will not have those problems. I dont think I am too optimistic, I think I am objective beacuse all this things I wrote are based on facts and Nintendo plans with NX. You have to realize that current generation will be Nintendo worst generation ever, and Nintendo is changing and they changing lotsa things in order to next generation be much successful than this one, so that means correction of mistakes that they made this gen.

Wii U is Nintendo first HD console and they had big problems with HD development that directly affected Wii U launch and first year lineup, with NX they will not have those problems because now they are very familiar with it. Another huge problem was that they needed to make different games for 3DS and Wii U in same time, especially because 3DS had very bad launch and Nintendo invest great effort in new games (they released Mario Kart 7, Zelda OOT 3D, Mario 3D Land, Star Fox 3D in same quarter in which they launched Wii U) in order to save 3DS, and they done that but that effect on Wii U. But again with NX they will not have that problem because they will make one game in same time for both consoles, not completely separate like this gen, that means much more games. Whole this Nintendo unified plans are to prevent software drought like before.


Well it may get as good support as gc but the conversation part I think isn't as good as you think. So far their proposals don't seem to have come from benchmarking or talking to devs. And If the not powerfull remark them devs will still ignore them. If they decide for the double platform it may make it even worse.

about being easier. Ms/sony and 3rd have been making hd games for almost 10 years and delays still happen and dev cycle is quite big.

 

you seem to be hoping too much. The optmistic is the pessimist ill informed.

 

But I'd like to see they do great.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."