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Forums - Politics - Alaska Renames Columbus Day ‘Indigenous Peoples Day’!

mornelithe said:
SvennoJ said:

Yet apparently a state can rename a national holiday...

Btw why stop at Columbus day, thanksgiving is arguably even worse.

No, a State can rename the holiday for the State.  Note that the rest of the country still consider's it Columbus Day.

And yeah, maybe if we rename everything, we'll all forget about history and repeat it!  Great idea!  You should move to Texas. (Context: A textbook in a Texas school district attempted to assign the term 'Migrant Workers' to define Slave Labor)

As apposed to keeping the name but pretending it's all great? Better to rewrite history, how does that prevent repetition? What kids learn in school today about thanksgiving and Columbus is exactly the same as renaming slave labor to migrant workers. Maybe it's just a part of growing up, getting used to being lied to about everything starting with the Tooth fairy and Santa Claus :)





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Just remove the holiday, why have an Indigieunous People Day? Do you have a Hispanic people day holiday too?



Teeqoz said:
Nautilus said:

I don't support any of these pratics, they are horrible and inhuman, but if we are to erase or try to hide every bad side of human history, we are going to praticaly erase almost all of our history, because most of the advances and discoveries we made came atbthe cost of someone or something.The right thing to do is leave the past as it is, to learn from its mistakes and to not make them again, and worry more about the future.


The thing is that celebrating Columbus and what he did is exactly that; hiding and erasing the bad parts of human history. ¨

 

Your argument is correct, however it kinda works against you in this case...

Well, if it werent for him, we wouldnt have the countrys, and its cultures, that we have today, or at least the countrys wouldnt be the same, so its not only bad things that he has done.But I understand what you mean.

The problem is, if we apply that though to all holidays or prizes names we have, we would need to change many of their names.An easy example would be the Noble prizes.The guy that came up with the idea to award prizes to excepcional people, and that includes peace prizes, was the same guy that build bombs and armaments for living.He only came up with the idea of awards because he didnt want to be remember as a man who build weapons that killed people.Should we then rename the Nobel prize because of that?I agree that we shoudlnt forget the horrible things that Colombo did, but also completely ignore his achievements, even if the means are completely wrong, is not right



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

It'd be nice if people stop comparing todays morals to almost 600 years ago. 

but I guess they're too brainwashed by movie-narratives like Avatar. 



Nautilus said:
Teeqoz said:


The thing is that celebrating Columbus and what he did is exactly that; hiding and erasing the bad parts of human history. ¨

 

Your argument is correct, however it kinda works against you in this case...

Well, if it werent for him, we wouldnt have the countrys, and its cultures, that we have today, or at least the countrys wouldnt be the same, so its not only bad things that he has done.But I understand what you mean.

The problem is, if we apply that though to all holidays or prizes names we have, we would need to change many of their names.An easy example would be the Noble prizes.The guy that came up with the idea to award prizes to excepcional people, and that includes peace prizes, was the same guy that build bombs and armaments for living.He only came up with the idea of awards because he didnt want to be remember as a man who build weapons that killed people.Should we then rename the Nobel prize because of that?I agree that we shoudlnt forget the horrible things that Colombo did, but also completely ignore his achievements, even if the means are completely wrong, is not right


There's a difference though. Alfred Nobel's research resulted in horrible things, yes, but that wasn't his intention. He was a good man. Chirstoffer Columbus on the other hand...

I am not saying we should completely ignore his achievements, but that doesn't mean we have to celebrate Columbus Day.



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MikeRox said:

I can sympathise with the decision, however attempting to erase history may also lead to unintended consequences.

I don't generally really like any celebration of a particular demographic simply because it is exclusive thing to do and while it may seem empowering, can also swing the other way and be dividing. It's not something that will ultimately lead to more inclusion and this seems to be becoming an increasing problem for the US now through what is becoming a seeping resentment.


Erase history? How?



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

MasterMiller said:

It'd be nice if people stop comparing todays morals to almost 600 years ago. 

but I guess they're too brainwashed by movie-narratives like Avatar. 

Columbus was removed from his position of virrey and sent to jail due to his crimes, so it isn't today's morals.



Teeqoz said:
Nautilus said:

Well, if it werent for him, we wouldnt have the countrys, and its cultures, that we have today, or at least the countrys wouldnt be the same, so its not only bad things that he has done.But I understand what you mean.

The problem is, if we apply that though to all holidays or prizes names we have, we would need to change many of their names.An easy example would be the Noble prizes.The guy that came up with the idea to award prizes to excepcional people, and that includes peace prizes, was the same guy that build bombs and armaments for living.He only came up with the idea of awards because he didnt want to be remember as a man who build weapons that killed people.Should we then rename the Nobel prize because of that?I agree that we shoudlnt forget the horrible things that Colombo did, but also completely ignore his achievements, even if the means are completely wrong, is not right


There's a difference though. Alfred Nobel's research resulted in horrible things, yes, but that wasn't his intention. He was a good man. Chirstoffer Columbus on the other hand...

I am not saying we should completely ignore his achievements, but that doesn't mean we have to celebrate Columbus Day.

But its already part of our culture.And he had a different perspective and moral than we have now.We are, after all, talking about a difference of 500 years.Good people in that age though that black people were animals, because their religion said to them that they had no soul, and so killing them wasnt wrong.And people believed it because they thought it was right, that what their religion said was right.It was ignorance in most cases, not real evil.It isnt completely fair to judge them by our standards, when they had a completely different view about the world.We actually have a better society today because of them, because of their mistakes, and we learned about them.

Well, i think in the end it really depends on people, if they want to give more importance to the good side of Colombo or its bad side, but in the end for me renaming it(the day) is just foolish.Most people just celebrate the day and its meaning, not the person, and renaming it would just cause more harm than good.(confusing people and all)



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
Teeqoz said:


There's a difference though. Alfred Nobel's research resulted in horrible things, yes, but that wasn't his intention. He was a good man. Chirstoffer Columbus on the other hand...

I am not saying we should completely ignore his achievements, but that doesn't mean we have to celebrate Columbus Day.

But its already part of our culture.And he had a different perspective and moral than we have now.We are, after all, talking about a difference of 500 years.Good people in that age though that black people were animals, because their religion said to them that they had no soul, and so killing them wasnt wrong.And people believed it because they thought it was right, that what their religion said was right.It was ignorance in most cases, not real evil.It isnt completely fair to judge them by our standards, when they had a completely different view about the world.We actually have a better society today because of them, because of their mistakes, and we learned about them.

Well, i think in the end it really depends on people, if they want to give more importance to the good side of Colombo or its bad side, but in the end for me renaming it(the day) is just foolish.Most people just celebrate the day and its meaning, not the person, and renaming it would just cause more harm than good.(confusing people and all)


I think there can be a balance. Besides, if you were to ask your average American what they think of when they hear Christoffer Columbus, I doubt murder, mutilation etc. are the first things they'll say. The good side of Chirstoffer Columbus is given vastly more importance, so we aren't in any immediate danger of the bad side getting "overrepresented".



Good, the native americans suffered enough its their land youre living on.