So either platina or Xander is the timekeeper, unless it was a one shot skill by one of the scum teams.
Omg zero stop trying to get the doc to claim!
Respond to my last post, please.
zero129 said:
Look you keep dancing around my questions and you also keep trying to push the same silly questions on me that has been answered. If people cant see you as mafia i honestly just do not know what to say. You can clearly see what i said and i can even go back and show you the post where i say (If the even is a cop) and i also explained about what we do if the isnt a cop.. |
You said that last night you thought xander was the cop. You thought this because spurge was the miller:
"Ok fuck it lets just lynch one one of the lurkers, if they turn out to be mafia and once prof watchs me tonight that will confirm me as town in his eyes, and the cop can then claim his role tomorrow if the cop claims we know spurge is telling the truth as long as we dont get a counter claim and then we can look into Axum or Outlaw but imo the cop should scan one of them anyways since it would help things!."
Spurge being the miller confirmed to you that a cop existed. And rightfully so, as you said:
"Personally imo if he keeps acting like this i think we should just lynch him now since it will pretty much confirm if we do have a town cop and then we can direct the town cop without him having to out himself until day 4 to get the last mafia member."
Yet, you said,:
"If the is a town cop you should scan Platina or Xanter"
In your own words, a town cop existing could be proven by spurge flipping miller.
"If spurge flips what he said miller =
Doc protect prof, prof watch me, I protect myself, cop (If the is one) scan Xantar or platina your choice."
So, in very simple english, you believed there was a cop, xander, as evidenced by your post that you protected xander because his "big boss" comment clued you in.
Yet, when acknowledging the potential existence of the cop, you said he should investigate xander.
Now then, you also stated:
"once prof watchs me tonight that will confirm me as town in his eyes"
So, you agree that I could've confirmed you.
So what I am left with, in this pile of garbage, is that instead of you following a plan that everyone in town agreed to, that would've cleared you as town to me (and the rest of town, mind you), you instead decided to protect a person who in your own words should be investigated by the cop.
Your reasoning for this is:
"i didnt even believe that the was a cop until after spurge was lynched"
Yet, you agreed yesterday, before the lynch, that if spurge flips miller and the cop exists, then he should cop xander, and doc should protect prof.
It's very clear that conditionally upon spurge's miller claim being true, you wanted xander investigated, but now you believed xander was the cop. This is called a contradiction. You are rewriting history in order to give yourself a reason to not be at your own home last night.
Additionally, if the existence of the cop PROVED to you that there couldn't be a watcher, you didn't say anything about that until today. Yesterday, when you were talking about how there could be a cop, you never said "prof must be lying if there is a cop".
Everything changed either last night, or today. Your whole rhetoric has switched.
You've gone from considering 3 mafia with 2 newbs, all investigatives being ok, possible doc and bodyguard, xander and platina and axum as scum....
to:
2 mafia with 1 newb and 1 vet, watcher not being possible, doc not being possible, xander and platina as town, prof as scum.
You're trying to shoehorn the changing events to fit your own narrative.
| zero129 said: How is it a contradiction?, Like i said your trying to dance around things when you know very well what the answer is since i like i said i answered this if you read my posts. I didnt think xander was the cop not a chance, like i said i wasnt even sure if the was a cop thats why you can see lots of "IF"'s in my quotes up there since you claimed watcher!. But if the was a cop i didnt think it was Xanter in fact i thought it might of been outlaw, but like i said in my other posts, after spurge's lynch and when he flipped the boss, thats when i thought Xanter was the cop cos of his comment about the boss. Now you know this so stop trying to dance around my questions and trying to hide my posts under a pile of rubbish that you keep posting trying to make yourself look town and like im the accused. Heres the facts something you dont have! and is the reason for why you keep asking the same random bullshit. 1. Everyone who suspected you, you placed a vote on them only for them to then end up dead. 2. You watched/scanned mike the night before he was killed, clearly you couldnt kill him that night so you had to wait till the next. 3. The is only 1 mafia member left and the is no way its a new player. And prof even claimed himself that i wouldnt know the meta good enough to be in charge of a newb mafia team here in this post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7581760 Where he said "I have to remember that zero, while having played a bunch of games, doesn't know the meta enough to attempt things like that. That's more something a player like final-fan, mario, trucks, hatmoza, etc, would do (you and me included :D)" In the same post he go on to point out how he would know the meta to be good enough to be put in charge since out of his list his the only one still in this game on it. 4. Him still being alive, as town prof would be dead by now, he claimed his still alive cos he was protected by the doc, a claim he only made after i claimed my role as the town bodygaurd. Since prof is the watcher how would he know it was the doc that protected him??. Thats your big slip right there. 5. Like i said above prof claims to be the watcher yet he knew the doc protected him, how would he know this??, Ill tell you why cos the is no doc, he is not town watcher. And the is lots more in my other lists that prof keep trying to push back and back with his silly line of questions trying to paint me as scum by making it look like im the one who has to keep answering for something when his the one who has to answer for a lot. Now im going to bed soon i have to be up at 7am tomorrow to bring my gf to the hosp to have our baby, cant wait |
Yeah, you can use if statements.
1 Such as, "if there is a cop, then prof would be lying"...something you didn't say yesterday. Or 'IF there is cop, then it's probably xander', another thing you didn't say yesterday.
Or "if spurge is the miller, investigate xander" oh wait, that one you DID say.
2 You're right. If I was the mafia rolecop, then I would know that mike is the cop. But then why would i even say to the town that i visited mike? Surely I could have just said I watched one of my teammates...oh WAIT, there must only be one mafia left, that's why I didn't do that. Silly me, and here I was thinking that you were wrong. But wait, why didn't I just say I watched myself again? Surely that would've been better than potentially admitting that I knew there was a cop. Such a long rope leading back to me. I guess that must be my downfall, zero. You've finally caught me for such a stupid error as well! My mother would be ashamed. /sarcasm
3 I said you would not know the meta enough to be saying tricky things. Clearly, if I believe you are the SK, then SURELY I would have full awareness that trucks WOULD and COULD put a newb by himself. Does your theory really simply rest on me and axum being scum because we are veterans? Then I see a glaring fault in your logic zero, because that would mean he put:
Blake, clyde, ganon, playstation, platina, xander, and supposedly yourself on the town team... and you're saying trucks wouldn't stack a team with noobs? He already did, with 7 players? Is that really the theory you are going with?
4 I never claimed I was alive because I was protected by the doc. I claimed I was alive because scum usually expect me to be protected. Therefore, they tend to avoid targetting me. I made no implication that anyone tried to kill me. I would've seen them. And again, I'll ask you. If I'm on a scum team, why hasn't the rival team tried to kill me yet? You say I'm alive because I'm mafia and obviously I wouldn't target myself. OK. So where is the SK? why haven't they killed me? Maybe whatever is keeping the sk from killing me is also keeping the mafia from killing me? I don't know man, just because I'm not dead doesn't mean I'm scum. All it means, in simple facts, is that scum haven't tried...nor, may I add, did the vigilante nor the desperado.
Whether or not I know about the doc is for me to know and you to find out after the game.
5. I literally have no idea what you think I need to answer for. Your accusations are such, like, "prof is mafia because trucks would have to put a vet on the scum team". I don't know what I'm supposed to answer for other than "you're an idiot". What's the other one? "everyone prof has voted for was town". I mean, sure, that's true so far...but lots of players have done the same. The only players with votes on a confirmed scum in this game are axum and mike. So what's your logic? Because I haven't found scum YET, then I'm scum? Need I remind you that you ALSO thought spurge was scum? Or that you voted for mike? I just don't see what I need to answer for here. In my opinion, I have a vote on a scum right now.
Please, make a list of things I need to answer, but be warned, if you make a list of retarded accusations, then I'm going to respond in kind. It's not dancing, it's me saying "what's your point".
| zero129 said: How is it a contradiction?, Like i said your trying to dance around things when you know very well what the answer is since i like i said i answered this if you read my posts. I didnt think xander was the cop not a chance, like i said i wasnt even sure if the was a cop thats why you can see lots of "IF"'s in my quotes up there since you claimed watcher!. But if the was a cop i didnt think it was Xanter in fact i thought it might of been outlaw, but like i said in my other posts, after spurge's lynch and when he flipped the boss, thats when i thought Xanter was the cop cos of his comment about the boss. Now you know this so stop trying to dance around my questions and trying to hide my posts under a pile of rubbish that you keep posting trying to make yourself look town and like im the accused. Heres the facts something you dont have! and is the reason for why you keep asking the same random bullshit. 1. Everyone who suspected you, you placed a vote on them only for them to then end up dead. 2. You watched/scanned mike the night before he was killed, clearly you couldnt kill him that night so you had to wait till the next. 3. The is only 1 mafia member left and the is no way its a new player. And prof even claimed himself that i wouldnt know the meta good enough to be in charge of a newb mafia team here in this post http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7581760 Where he said "I have to remember that zero, while having played a bunch of games, doesn't know the meta enough to attempt things like that. That's more something a player like final-fan, mario, trucks, hatmoza, etc, would do (you and me included :D)" In the same post he go on to point out how he would know the meta to be good enough to be put in charge since out of his list his the only one still in this game on it. 4. Him still being alive, as town prof would be dead by now, he claimed his still alive cos he was protected by the doc, a claim he only made after i claimed my role as the town bodygaurd. Since prof is the watcher how would he know it was the doc that protected him??. Thats your big slip right there. 5. Like i said above prof claims to be the watcher yet he knew the doc protected him, how would he know this??, Ill tell you why cos the is no doc, he is not town watcher. And the is lots more in my other lists that prof keep trying to push back and back with his silly line of questions trying to paint me as scum by making it look like im the one who has to keep answering for something when his the one who has to answer for a lot. Now im going to bed soon i have to be up at 7am tomorrow to bring my gf to the hosp to have our baby, cant wait |
Yeah, you can use if statements.
1 Such as, "if there is a cop, then prof would be lying"...something you didn't say yesterday. Or 'IF there is cop, then it's probably xander', another thing you didn't say yesterday.
Or "if spurge is the miller, investigate xander" oh wait, that one you DID say.
2 You're right. If I was the mafia rolecop, then I would know that mike is the cop. But then why would i even say to the town that i visited mike? Surely I could have just said I watched one of my teammates...oh WAIT, there must only be one mafia left, that's why I didn't do that. Silly me, and here I was thinking that you were wrong. But wait, why didn't I just say I watched myself again? Surely that would've been better than potentially admitting that I knew there was a cop. Such a long rope leading back to me. I guess that must be my downfall, zero. You've finally caught me for such a stupid error as well! My mother would be ashamed. /sarcasm
3 I said you would not know the meta enough to be saying tricky things. Clearly, if I believe you are the SK, then SURELY I would have full awareness that trucks WOULD and COULD put a newb by himself. Does your theory really simply rest on me and axum being scum because we are veterans? Then I see a glaring fault in your logic zero, because that would mean he put:
Blake, clyde, ganon, playstation, platina, xander, and supposedly yourself on the town team... and you're saying trucks wouldn't stack a team with noobs? He already did, with 7 players? Is that really the theory you are going with?
4 I never claimed I was alive because I was protected by the doc. I claimed I was alive because scum usually expect me to be protected. Therefore, they tend to avoid targetting me. I made no implication that anyone tried to kill me. I would've seen them. And again, I'll ask you. If I'm on a scum team, why hasn't the rival team tried to kill me yet? You say I'm alive because I'm mafia and obviously I wouldn't target myself. OK. So where is the SK? why haven't they killed me? Maybe whatever is keeping the sk from killing me is also keeping the mafia from killing me? I don't know man, just because I'm not dead doesn't mean I'm scum. All it means, in simple facts, is that scum haven't tried...nor, may I add, did the vigilante nor the desperado.
Whether or not I know about the doc is for me to know and you to find out after the game.
5. I literally have no idea what you think I need to answer for. Your accusations are such, like, "prof is mafia because trucks would have to put a vet on the scum team". I don't know what I'm supposed to answer for other than "you're an idiot". What's the other one? "everyone prof has voted for was town". I mean, sure, that's true so far...but lots of players have done the same. The only players with votes on a confirmed scum in this game are axum and mike. So what's your logic? Because I haven't found scum YET, then I'm scum? Need I remind you that you ALSO thought spurge was scum? Or that you voted for mike? I just don't see what I need to answer for here. In my opinion, I have a vote on a scum right now.
Please, make a list of things I need to answer, but be warned, if you make a list of retarded accusations, then I'm going to respond in kind. It's not dancing, it's me saying "what's your point".
Zero talking about xander yesterday
"As for the big boss comment the reason i want to know is cos i want to know xanters reasons for saying about the big boss in the first place. If he has some scanning power he has not been using it to help us at all since id imagine he would be giving us a bit more guidence and i also imagine he would of tried to counter claim you.
Now it could be just a thing that since this is a MGS game he just trow that comment out there for the sake of it but even that seems a bit odd."
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"But before i go placing a vote on xanter id like to see what others think about lynching him and why they think we should. I still feel like he knows more then his saying his early big boss comment was strange, if he had a power to watch as well id imagine he would of called you out on your claim. So i just dont understand his reason for it. Unless could he be big boss?, could big boss be a mafia god father? it would fit the role imo, but then even that would be kinda silly for him to say. I just dont know im confussed :-/ .
Anyone who played with xanta before what was he like in them games??."
You then follow it up by saying xander is a good lynch, and later, that if spurge is a miller and the cop exists, doc should protect prof, and cop should scan xander.
Clearly you were thinking of what xander's role was way before spurge, but you still said he was a potential lynch.
Zero this is the deal, and I wish you would stop responding to each and every post in order, this is the only one you need to respond to.
We had a plan. Last night, everyone playing, including now dead confirmed townies, agreed that the plan was the best option we had to confirm roles.
Today we have no cop anymore, so it was really important that the plan was adhered to, because now we have even less than yesterday.
I question you repeatedly (I appreciate your whining about answering the same question over and over) because I need to understand WHY you decided to not follow the plan, and make sure your story stays straight every time you answer it. I'm not ignoring your answers, I'm making sure you say the same thing every time. This is standard questioning because sometimes a story changes, because sometimes, liars forget where they were going with a story.
Now then, I question why you targeted xander, and I question when and where you said such and such because part of your story revolves around you thinking he is the cop. So, I have to go back and check the consistency of the story. Can I physically see you questioning his role? Yes. Can I see you thinking he is the cop? Yes.
However, I also see you suspecting him. I also see you wanting to lynch him. I also see you wanting the cop to investigate him.
What this tells me, is that yesterday, during the lynch, you did not think he was the cop. It wasn't until spurge flipped miller that you actually gave the cop idea some thought.
I can follow your train of thought, as you explain it happened.
However,
Xander didn't scan spurge. Xander said "big boss". Spurge was "boss". Boss is the main boss of mgs2. A lady who trained snake and seemed like a bad guy, but really she was becoming a martyr. She was a good guy in the end.
Big boss, is a good guy turned bad. These are two separate people.
You say that the big boss comment meant he found spurge guilty. This is an error on your part. You decided that xander was a cop because you confused two characters, which admittedly, I can see you doing as town, because I don't actually expect you to play without error.
Now, moving along, you decided that protecting xander with a weakening unreliable power was more important than sticking to the plan.
However, you knew that watching you would have confirmed you. This would've been just as good as a cop result.
Now, you say that you didn't protect yourself because regardless of whether or not you did, I would have lied, because I'm scum.
So, what I gather from this is that you decided that it was useless o protect yourself so instead you protected xander, with the additional benefit that I would've confirmed my role to you anyway.
Your rhetoric seems to confirm this as you came in, confirmed I was a watcher, called me scum, and got aggressive.
So, honestly, I can see why a town zero would be acting the way you are.
However, there are several questions I still have that I don't understand.
Yesterday, you suspected and wanted to lynch both plating and xander. You said today, that during the night, you decided that xander had to be the cop. However, we know today that xander is not the cop.
But today you seem to trust both xander and platina.
And I can't seem to find an explanation why other than "trucks wouldn't do that", which isn't really a good answer.
Today, xander shouldn't feel any different to you than he felt yesterday. Same with platina. Nothing has changed. Additionally we have a dead cop suspecting them both.
Secondly, I also don't understand why you've decided that mafia only has two members. You said there can't be two mafia because the game would already be over. But I actually don't understand this reasoning at all. Why would the game be over?
| zero129 said: Like i said, i found Xanters "Boss" comment strange from the start, i wasnt sure at first if it was cos he could scan people or watch people, then i thought maybe it was just a random comment cos of the theme of the game and never really but anymore thought into it, why i didnt mind him getting lynched is simple cos he is just lurking and not playing, But then after spurge flipped miller and "The Boss" i figured that was what xanter meant with his comment, was that he scanned spurge and he showed up as The Boss mafia Something he would do since his the miller. Clearly by this stage it was too late to change the plan since the day ended. So i did what i thought was the right thing to do and that was protect our cop, i also thought xanter would become more active today. when today started and i seen we lost our cop that was a shock since i never imagined mike was the cop. And im still disapointed that he didnt try save spurge since he pretty much knew he was telling the truth. Also whats changed with xantar and platina is before last night i thought the game was set up with 3 mafia + 1sk . that would of left us with 2 members left the vet and another newb. I thought xanter or platina could of been one of the newbs and you or axum the vet if spurge flipped town and if he flipped mafia well then we had our vet and that left just canter or platina. Now how that changed is i see now that the game was set up with only 2 mafia+sk so that would leave the 1 mafia member and the SK still out there. I admit the SK could be anyone but the is no way would trucks of made the mafia team with 2 new players "Only" so it would of had to been one newb and one vet. Since 2 town was killed last night if the was still 2 mafia members plus the SK id imagine this game would already be over now?? Or maybe my original theory was right and we have 2+2 mafia teams with no SK and the Psychiatrist was only there to put us off. |
1. Xander said Big Boss, not Boss. Again, those are two different characters.
2. Why do you see the game was only set up with 2 mafia and an sk? I just don't get why that changed. Why would the game be over? Explain it to me.
3. I don't understand where you came up with this theory that there are 2 2-man mafia teams. The simplest explanation is that the psych is for the sk. When someone picks an unlikely scenario over a likely scenario, it makes me wonder why.
4. Truck's decisions have no bearing on the game. For instance, axum is a vet...why don't you suspect him for mafia? I understand that you suspect him as the sk, but why not mafia? Again, it's odd that you pick and choose who is what, with really no reason other than 'because trucks'. Last game, the starcraft theme, there were two serial killers.
"Marine: impertinence, Nickelsbe, Wonktonodi, and Mr Khan
Stim Marine: TruckOSaurus and radishhead
Shield Marine: WhiteEaglePL and HylianSwordsman
Medic: Carl2291
Reaper: Conegamer
Jim Ryanor: theprof00
Nova: Wright
Kerrigan: padib
Protoss Dark Templar: EricFabian, spurgeonryan, Sparks, and Astrogamer"
Wright's first game was serial killer
Padib was also an SK, and padib has only played as much as you have, and he's a crazy person
Mafia team was three noobs and spurge, who again, is not very good at the game.
And Wright WON. Town was stacked with vets. Wonk has more mvps than anyone, impertinence was amazing, trucks is amazing, hylian is really really smart, carl is a long time vet, cone, and myself. And we lost to a noob.
Your reasoning for things doesn't really have any basis. Me and axum being the only anti-town doesn't make sense. Right now I suspect each and every one of you, because you're all acting fucking suspicious. Xander lurking hard, platina popping in and disappearing without really contributing, axum holding off to see how the vote sways, you for not abiding by the plan. You're all suspect. For all I know, you REALLY are a town protector. But that's because 3 players are simply not contributing at all.
To be honest, I'd rather lynch one of them because I feel like, yeah, you COULD be who you say you are, but you're just inexperienced and made a bunch of bad decisions.
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