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Normchacho on 24 September 2015
Nem said:
the-pi-guy said:

TV doesn't not have the same technologies as the headsets.  Certainly doesn't evoke the same feelings.  

 

they are calling it VR, is because we are finally reaching a point where we can trick the brain into thinking that it's reality.  

 


I did think about it. I have said before that this can only make sense when coupled with the kinect, but then theres the problem of physical space traveling. Real VR needs to tap the brain signals to really happen. We are still away from that.

Now to the example of urgency, i see what you mean, but if you stand close to the TV screen the sense of falling will be higher aswell. Yeah, you are tricking your brain, but its still far from beeing a VR experience. Its albeit a very limited one. So limited that i dont see the point, especially when weighed against health and confort issues.

 

And since i would make a wall of text if i quoted everyone, Soundwave, the idea of VR is much older than the movie representations of the magic helmets that portal you to a different world (much less the bollocks Sega and Nintendo tried to feed us inspired on that, and now other companies aswell). The holo-deck idea itself was created in 1974 on the Star trek animation. I'm sure there may even be science fiction books with the idea maybe even earlier than that.


The problem here is that your definition of VR is wrong...

 

http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/other-gadgets/virtual-reality8.htm

 

The roots of VR stretch back to the 1959s and stem back to the desire for more immersive media. Not your personal fancy for Star Trek.



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arcaneguyver on 24 September 2015
AEGRO said:
GribbleGrunger said:
Spencer, you are so frigin' obvious it hurts.


LOL

People are falling waaay too much into the "He's a gamer like us, wearing T-Shirts and Jeans!" character of his.

He is just a suit, just like the rest of the board.

Pretty much. Guess people were just that desperate for the anti-Mattrick they embraced the facade without question. 



Imaginedvl on 24 September 2015
walsufnir said:
Imaginedvl said:
Maybe not the future... But VR or AR will play a huge role in it for sure.
I'm really excited about AR (at least the way MS is envisioning it with HoloLens). I'm less attracted by VR for now but I have to admit that being able to be fully immersed in a SP campaign for games like Halo would be cool to, but again just as an option.


Seriously, in the end I would rather take a holo tech than VR. And that is not because people think I'm an "MS guy" but I loved the idea of the Holo Deck in Star Trek since I ever saw it. Yes, Holo lens is nothing compared to Holo Deck but I am talking about the idea behind it.

I can't repeat it more often: People should watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_%282001_film%29

Yes Microsoft is just starting the show. HoloLens is far from the Holodeck but it will be closer than anything else so far; I'm very impatient for it to be available and I'm sure the industry will come out with great apps/games very far so Microsoft and others are going to really start looking at this and innovate very quickly in that area.



Normchacho on 24 September 2015
Imaginedvl said:
walsufnir said:


Seriously, in the end I would rather take a holo tech than VR. And that is not because people think I'm an "MS guy" but I loved the idea of the Holo Deck in Star Trek since I ever saw it. Yes, Holo lens is nothing compared to Holo Deck but I am talking about the idea behind it.

I can't repeat it more often: People should watch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalon_%282001_film%29

Yes Microsoft is just starting the show. HoloLens is far from the Holodeck but it will be closer than anything else so far; I'm very impatient for it to be available and I'm sure the industry will come out with great apps/games very far so Microsoft and others are going to really start looking at this and innovate very quickly in that area.


The closest thing I've ever seen to the Holodeck.

http://www.businessinsider.com/virtual-reality-amusement-park-oculus-rift-vr-gaming-tech-2015-5



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Imaginedvl on 24 September 2015
Normchacho said:
Imaginedvl said:

Yes Microsoft is just starting the show. HoloLens is far from the Holodeck but it will be closer than anything else so far; I'm very impatient for it to be available and I'm sure the industry will come out with great apps/games very far so Microsoft and others are going to really start looking at this and innovate very quickly in that area.


The closest thing I've ever seen to the Holodeck.

http://www.businessinsider.com/virtual-reality-amusement-park-oculus-rift-vr-gaming-tech-2015-5

wow, thanks for sharing, looks really cool :)

That's really a nice mix of VR/AR right there. 



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Normchacho on 24 September 2015
Imaginedvl said:
Normchacho said:


The closest thing I've ever seen to the Holodeck.

http://www.businessinsider.com/virtual-reality-amusement-park-oculus-rift-vr-gaming-tech-2015-5

wow, thanks for sharing, looks really cool :)

That's really a nice mix of VR/AR right there. 


I know right? It's like laser tag times a thousand.



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JRPGfan on 24 September 2015

Nem you are being purposefully obtuse, and have no idea what VR really is.

What you think VR is (which your wrong about) apparently matters more than listning to what others have to say, when they try to explain to you what is it and why that makes it such.

We might as well be talking to a brick wall.
So Im gonna end my discussion with you on the matter here.

My firm belief : Its real VR, its what its marketing as and theyre right to do so.



Normchacho on 24 September 2015
the-pi-guy said:
Nem said:

especially when weighed against health and confort issues.

 

Second bolded, I'm not sure what you mean. 

 

 

Yeah, I don't get this line either. I've seen some people claim that there are potential health issues related to VR, but they are largely unfouned speculation. Actually, there is a chance VR headsets could actually help your eyesight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2015/03/04/why-not-to-fear-the-impact-of-virtual-reality-goggles-on-your-long-term-health/



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 24 September 2015

Everyone in this thread is trying to define VR/AR as they understand it, making it needlessly more complex as the make concessions to defend their ideas against criticism instead of actually reading others definitions.

VR - provides artificial stimuli and reduces external stimuli in order to increase immersion.

A tv does the former but is not a "VR"device because it does not do the later. Earphones, however can be considered a VR device, and VR devices utilize similar technology.

AR - provides artificial stimuli through response to and modification of external stimuli.

Google Glass, Kinect Pets, PS Eye pets do this.

There you go. 



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Dr.Henry_Killinger on 24 September 2015
Normchacho said:
the-pi-guy said:
Nem said:

especially when weighed against health and confort issues.

 

Second bolded, I'm not sure what you mean. 

 

 

Yeah, I don't get this line either. I've seen some people claim that there are potential health issues related to VR, but they are largely unfouned speculation. Actually, there is a chance VR headsets could actually help your eyesight.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2015/03/04/why-not-to-fear-the-impact-of-virtual-reality-goggles-on-your-long-term-health/

To be fair, the company selling that VR has a vested interest in calling VR good for your health, since they are selling it. There are no numbers, studies, or other scientists backing it up.

Keep in mind, Smoking companies alleged smoking was beneficial, then no harmful, before they had to put the warning label on.

ExxonMobil told people in some latin american countries they where drilling in that, rubbing crude oil on their skin was healthy so that they could get away with pollution. It's not its highly toxic.



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