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zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

It's not always execution. People always think this is a merit based business and by golly if you do a good job consumers will notice and reward you. No, not always. The market is its own beast and it also dictates where and how things go.

Something that might have worked great 2-8 years ago can often times find itself in tough during a different time period.

Happens with lots of things. Consumer electronics, fashion trends, movies, music, whatever. Certain products that might have worked in a different time don't work at another time, the consumer is the ultimate arbiter of everything and what the mood of the market is constantly changes.

People always shit on the Vita but it's not a bad product. It's not as if the PSP was 8x better product and thus deserved 8x better sales. PSP just had much weaker competetion, back in 2004/05 having a 1.2 megapixel camera on your phone was "ballin'". The access you had to entertainment sources when you left your house was largely nill unless you were a kid that carried around a Game Boy or you had an iPod which was the hot thing that let you listen to music and basically did nothing else. 

If the iPhone did fail, then yes maybe it would be correct to say the market isn't ready for a "smartphone" yet, obviously though that wasn't the case.

Execution is part of it, but so are competitive factors. The market today is very different from the market 10-12 years ago and the market of 10-12 years in the future will be very different from today. The companies that are successful are the ones that can adapt to changing trends.

Making great products and of itself isn't enough. The new Blackberry phone is a well designed, very nice product. Nothing wrong with it. Other than the fact that Blackberry needed that phone 5-6 years ago, because it's coming out now it's not going to do much of anything for their brand. Doesn't mean the product is bad or poorly made. 


Well ya that's pretty obvious but not really what Spemanig and I were getting at. We were simply saying that a product failing doesn't automatically mean it had a bad concept, sometimes a good idea can simply be executed wrong and another company will come along using the same concept and have success.

Which falls in the line of being lucky too. Take Jurassic World. If you asked anyone who made the movie. No one would of said it was gonna make a billion dollars. It's more a random happenstance when things take off. Also, crash and burn.



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archer9234 said:
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

It's not always execution. People always think this is a merit based business and by golly if you do a good job consumers will notice and reward you. No, not always. The market is its own beast and it also dictates where and how things go.

Something that might have worked great 2-8 years ago can often times find itself in tough during a different time period.

Happens with lots of things. Consumer electronics, fashion trends, movies, music, whatever. Certain products that might have worked in a different time don't work at another time, the consumer is the ultimate arbiter of everything and what the mood of the market is constantly changes.

People always shit on the Vita but it's not a bad product. It's not as if the PSP was 8x better product and thus deserved 8x better sales. PSP just had much weaker competetion, back in 2004/05 having a 1.2 megapixel camera on your phone was "ballin'". The access you had to entertainment sources when you left your house was largely nill unless you were a kid that carried around a Game Boy or you had an iPod which was the hot thing that let you listen to music and basically did nothing else. 

If the iPhone did fail, then yes maybe it would be correct to say the market isn't ready for a "smartphone" yet, obviously though that wasn't the case.

Execution is part of it, but so are competitive factors. The market today is very different from the market 10-12 years ago and the market of 10-12 years in the future will be very different from today. The companies that are successful are the ones that can adapt to changing trends.

Making great products and of itself isn't enough. The new Blackberry phone is a well designed, very nice product. Nothing wrong with it. Other than the fact that Blackberry needed that phone 5-6 years ago, because it's coming out now it's not going to do much of anything for their brand. Doesn't mean the product is bad or poorly made. 


Well ya that's pretty obvious but not really what Spemanig and I were getting at. We were simply saying that a product failing doesn't automatically mean it had a bad concept, sometimes a good idea can simply be executed wrong and another company will come along using the same concept and have success.

Which falls in the line of being lucky too. Take Jurassic World. If you asked anyone who made the movie. No one would of said it was gonna make a billion dollars. It's more a random happenstance when things take off. Also, crash and burn.


I'm not sure how that example relates



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zorg1000 said:
archer9234 said:
zorg1000 said:
Soundwave said:

It's not always execution. People always think this is a merit based business and by golly if you do a good job consumers will notice and reward you. No, not always. The market is its own beast and it also dictates where and how things go.

Something that might have worked great 2-8 years ago can often times find itself in tough during a different time period.

Happens with lots of things. Consumer electronics, fashion trends, movies, music, whatever. Certain products that might have worked in a different time don't work at another time, the consumer is the ultimate arbiter of everything and what the mood of the market is constantly changes.

People always shit on the Vita but it's not a bad product. It's not as if the PSP was 8x better product and thus deserved 8x better sales. PSP just had much weaker competetion, back in 2004/05 having a 1.2 megapixel camera on your phone was "ballin'". The access you had to entertainment sources when you left your house was largely nill unless you were a kid that carried around a Game Boy or you had an iPod which was the hot thing that let you listen to music and basically did nothing else. 

If the iPhone did fail, then yes maybe it would be correct to say the market isn't ready for a "smartphone" yet, obviously though that wasn't the case.

Execution is part of it, but so are competitive factors. The market today is very different from the market 10-12 years ago and the market of 10-12 years in the future will be very different from today. The companies that are successful are the ones that can adapt to changing trends.

Making great products and of itself isn't enough. The new Blackberry phone is a well designed, very nice product. Nothing wrong with it. Other than the fact that Blackberry needed that phone 5-6 years ago, because it's coming out now it's not going to do much of anything for their brand. Doesn't mean the product is bad or poorly made. 


Well ya that's pretty obvious but not really what Spemanig and I were getting at. We were simply saying that a product failing doesn't automatically mean it had a bad concept, sometimes a good idea can simply be executed wrong and another company will come along using the same concept and have success.

Which falls in the line of being lucky too. Take Jurassic World. If you asked anyone who made the movie. No one would of said it was gonna make a billion dollars. It's more a random happenstance when things take off. Also, crash and burn.


I'm not sure how that example relates

I say it does. Vita all intents and purposes, is a good product. But it doesn't have a purpose of exsisting. Why? It's redunant. And doesn't offer a compelling reason to own it. Now, if iphones, the 3ds and other devices weren't invented yet. The vita would of worked, and been loved. Even with the memory card price problem. People would be still pissed. But sucked it up. It would be at the right place, at the right time. That's a form of luck/good timing.

50 other companies can break into gaming. But will it work out for them. Usually no. The void/space for the area is filled. It's why Apple and Android work. Combined, they got the majority of people wanting cell phones. Anyone else making one, is looked as inferrior, and or I already have it. Don't care about you. You can bitch apple is missing this this and this. While Android has this this and this. You won't convince that side. They are content with what they have. So the product fails. And not at the fault of the product. Or the strategy the company picked.

People can blame Sony doesn't support their hardware. And ignores it. They have a reason for that. They tried for a full year. And no one cared to buy it. So it's now no longer apart of being cool. It's that TV show that used to be a mega hit. But eventually people left it. It's still on, doing decent numbers. But there's no longer any promos of it IE: The Simpsons. That's what I meant by being lucky. This discussion really went way off OP topic lol.



archer9234 said:

I say it does. Vita all intents and purposes, is a good product. But it doesn't have a purpose of exsisting. Why? It's redunant. And doesn't offer a compelling reason to own it. Now, if iphones, the 3ds and other devices weren't invented yet. The vita would of worked, and been loved. Even with the memory card price problem. People would be still pissed. But sucked it up. It would be at the right place, at the right time. That's a form of luck/good timing.

50 other companies can break into gaming. But will it work out for them. Usually no. The void/space for the area is filled. It's why Apple and Android work. Combined, they got the majority of people wanting cell phones. Anyone else making one, is looked as inferrior, and or I already have it. Don't care about you. You can bitch apple is missing this this and this. While Android has this this and this. You won't convince that side. They are content with what they have. So the product fails. And not at the fault of the product. Or the strategy the company picked.

People can blame Sony doesn't support their hardware. And ignores it. They have a reason for that. They tried for a full year. And no one cared to buy it. So it's now no longer apart of being cool. It's that TV show that used to be a mega hit. But eventually people left it. It's still on, doing decent numbers. But there's no longer any promos of it.


I don't agree at all. The Vita failed because it wasn't a good mass market product, plain and simple. It has good hardware, absolutely, but a good product for the market it is in? Absolutely not. It's not just the memory issue and strong hardware is detrimental when your console is poorly designed to adequately utilize it.

The Vita is too weak to get seamless ports of the types of big-budget, AAA "console quality" games its hardware was build and advertized to play, and it's too expensive to make Vita specific ports of those games to be worth the effort. That's why it doesn't get western 3rd party support, and nothing can change that because the Vita was designed poorly to take advantage of that. It doesn't get compelling and consistant first party game support either, which relegates its library to mostly niche games. A library of primerily niche (japanese and indie) titles is terrible for a mass market product, and the sole reason for that niche library is because the Vita is poorly built to host the kind of mainstream library it marketed itself to host. Also, a large portion of the handheld market is children, so instead of nurturing a library that could appeal to that prevalent demographic, they tried to make a system with a library that only appeals to an older, more hardcore, more niche to handhelds, demographic. That's a major execution issue.

It also suffers from something the DS brand never had to deal with: being a multimedia device. People like to say that mobile is killing handhelds, and those people are wrong, but they absolutely are killing the Vita, because the PSP brand was not just a handheld gaming brand - It was a portable media device brand. People like to forget this, but a massive reason the PSP was successful was not because it was a good gaming handheld, but because it was the best mobile media device on the market at the time. You could browse the internet better than anything else at the time, watch movies better than anything else at the time, and listen to music. DVD commercials at the time actively advertised buying PSP disks for movies. If the PSP didn't have this multimedia leg up on top of being a homebrewers wet dream, it would have sold less than half of what it ended up selling, which would have cut its 3rd party support, which would have hurt its sales even more.

Then the iphone came and did all of that better and with a phone to add to that. And there's no way the Vita could compete with smartphones on being a multimedia device this late in the market, especially when it didn't have any of the things necessary to do so. A successor to what the PSP was for it's market would have been a fully featured phone, it would have been much smaller, and it likely would have been either built on Android, or would have pioneered its own OS specifically built to compete with iOS and Android. That's the only reason it could have competed, and the DS brand never had that brand expectation, meaning it never had to compete there. That's an execution issue.

The Vita failed to execute on so many angles that it's literally no suprise it wasn't a successful device. It's not a well designed product. There's no luck to anything. The 3DS is more successful because Nintendo designed a better product for its market than Sony did with the Vita.

Even with the NXDS, the only reason that will get expensive AAA console quality games is because it's being built on a platform specifically designed to make getting those games working as cheap and effortless as possible. They don't have to design a port specifically for the handheld. They just have to make a game for the platform and scale it down, which is a much simpler and cheaper than doing a full port for a significantly weaker peice of hardware with significantly different architecture from what they're used to working on like with the Vita. That device is much better designed for its market and what its trying to be, even before the system is out, than the Vita was. If getting a game working on the Vita was just as simple as building a PS4 game and scaling it down with no other porting effort needed, you bet your ass the Vita would be getting 90% of PS4 games, including first party titles.

It's annoying when people say only mobile killed the Vita. It's annoying when people say only Sony support killed the Vita. It's annoying when people say only memory cards killed the Vita. It's about time someone said the real reason the Vita died, and that's because it was a bad product. Doesn't mean it doesn't have good games, because it has plenty. Doesn't mean it doesn't have strong hardware either, but the Vita is design 101 on how not to design and market a mass market product. It failed because it did everything above terribly. It's an execution nightmare.



Anandtech review is here and you can read A LOT about the A9 here. Such a beast.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9686/the-apple-iphone-6s-and-iphone-6s-plus-review/2

The A9 is miles ahead of anything the competition currently offers. If you are interested you can check out the storage performance for more peculiar speedy improvements. The storage is twice the speed of the previous iPhones and other flagship devices.

A9X review should be up this month too. Can't.Wait.



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Platina said:
Technology is getting updated faster than ever, making it really hard for consoles to compete, so it won't be very hard.. 3 years is a lot for technology


I completly disagree.

We have almost no more evolution in terms of graphics in games anymore. There is almost no need to make new consoles recently, scince even way stronger hardware doesnt look way better. The gap in terms of graphics was WAY bigger, and its getting smaller and smaller every gen.

 

Some pictures will tell more then words:

 

Star Wars Battlefront (2015 graphics)

 

Crysis (2007 graphics; 8 years ago)

 

Half Life: Opposing Force (1999 Graphics; 8 Years back from Crysis)

 

Wolfenstein 3D (Graphics 1992; 7 Years back from Half Life: OF)