TV to Netflix is a bad comparison. You go from one subscription service where you can't choose which content you see at any given time to another subscription service where you can choose what content you wanna watch at any given time.

Besides... *points to how TV shows have a full TV run before they come to Netflix* And *points to how films have a full cinema run before they launch on DVD/blu-ray, before they even later launch on Netflix*

PSNow will not be a replacement of the Playstation home console ecosystem. It will be a paralell service. Think about CoD for instance. It sells like 10 million first week, at a price of 60$. I'm not 100% sure how much of those 60$ go to the publisher, but I'm fairly vertain retailer margins are not higher than 20$ for a 60$ video game. That means 40$ revenue to the pub per copy, of which maybe 8$ they have to pay to the platform holder, and 3$ goes to packaging and physical media and shipping costs. Then there's the cost of unsold copies. So, in the end, Activision gets at least 25$ revenue per copy.

What would your suggested pricing be for streaming CoD a month, which you think people might realistically pay for it? Or should it launch directly as part of the PSNow subscription program? In that case, how much does Activision get paid per hour of in game time? How much would this subscription service cost to be able to pay for AAA games launching directly on the service?

I think it'll be out in 2018 or 2019. So I agree with the op

It's not a bad comparison at all. You go from an antiquated consumer system to one that isn't antiquated. There are plenty of examples through Netflix, Hulu, HBO Go, etc where programs that debut first or exclusively for these services have become arguably more successful as a result. You may not think TV is comparable to consoles, but limited run theatrical releases definitely aren't.

It definitely will be the replacement. There are ways to to monetize in ways that make the developer money while not effecting the consumer end. It's frankly not up to me to figure out how it'll be monetized, but there's already proof, even in PS Plus, that such a monitization format is out there. I think that people would gladly pay like $25 for a month for access to the entire library of PS Now games, with the subscription curve getting cheaper the more long term you pay, $60 for 3 months, etc. Then they would have the rental services for individual game rentals be based on the publishers.

That's why it's smart that they released PS Now so early. All the pricing and streaming kinks get ironed out now while they build the library. I'd put money on seeing PS1 or PS2 games on the service by the end of next year, and I'd honesly even see PS4 games put on it by like 2018. Once the PS4 hits its twilight years, you'll see new games released simultaneously for both. You honestly might even see the PS Now TV release within that time period before the PS4 ends officially. $150 for the streaming box and a DS4 with the ability to stream PS1/2/3/and 4 games? Sony will make a killing. It'll be like PS+ on steroids, only mandatory.

The real genious will come if they're smart enough to put it on stuff like Apple TV, or even competitor's systems. There's no reason, other than pride (on both ends), that they couldn't, but they would make so much more money off of that. PS Now on XBO or Wii U/NX? So much money to be made where they previously may have had lost sales. Someone with an NX/XBO may not be willing to drop another $400 on a PS4, but they may drop $60 on a DS4 and than $15 for two weeks of Uncharted 4, or whatever the pricing would be. They love the game. Add another two weeks. Love the series. Rent 1,2, and 3. Love the brand, subcribe for the next year for what adds up to $240.

But don't you see that those two could exist perfectly fine together? A PS5 that plays games natively, with better graphics and lower input lag, etc. and PSNow that streams content to anything. PS5 would get the "theatrical releases" of AAA 3rd party games, maybe 3 months before they come to PSNow, thus getting the most out of both types of gamers, the "core" gamers and the "casual" gamers.

PSNow on everything though, that is something we can agree on.

I guess you are being sarcastic because Pachet is a big joke around here.

Well, if he says so I'm going to start saving money for Ps5.

A PS streaming service would have better graphics because it wouldn't need to budget the hardware based on how much the consumer can afford. The PS Now hardware would always be state of the art, and would be able to rival the most modern PCs at the time, instead of restricting itself to consumer generations of 10 year cycles like they do now. The input lag of games in 5 years through streaming can be diminished to such a degree that they would be barely noticable. It's already much better now than it was at launch. Literally the only issue would be fighting games. That's it. Everything else would be fine enough where the input lag would be so small it would effectively be unnoticable, and even with fighting games it could be polished to such a degree where it would only be noticable to the most core of players.

PS Now would still get the "theatrical" type release. The games just wouldn't be available on the subcription until months later, instead opting for the individual rentals at first. "Final Fantasy 16 releases on PS Now today for individual rentals only. It will appear in the Now Subcription Marketplace in 3 months." They'd get 3 months or whatever to get all the inflated sales from people who don't mind paying more to play at launch, and then, months later, it becomes available in the subscription library as well for everyone apart of that ecosystem where it could garner respectable profits indefinitely from there.

I genuinely believe PS Now is the most innovative thing Sony has ever done, the most innovating gaming anything out today, and I think Sony is well aware of its bright future. Like I said, releasing it now alongside the PS4 isn't only neccesary, it's genius. It allows them to slowly build the library over like 5-7 years while effectively getting payed to beta test it the entire time. Then, once the PS4 is being phased out, bam, they rebrand it as the magnum opus of gaming that it was always meant to be.

What excites me about PS Now, and XBL, and the NX is that when all those are in full swing, it'll be the first time in like 20 years that all of the competition will have truly different gaming experiences again. One focused on streaming, one focused on a Steam-like PC platform, and one focused on a unified OS ecosystem amungst numerous devices. The Netflix, Steam Machine, and Apple of gaming, pretty much. And the best part is that they will be the most likely to be able to live harmoneously. Someone can have a Live Machine with a Now subscription and an NXDS. Someone else can have an NX with a Now subscription on their Smart TV and Live on their laptop. Someone else can have a Now TV with Live on their desktop and an NXDS. Such a low barrier to entry for literally anyone. At the cheapest, someone could have both Live and Now on their laptop, and an NXDS. You're effectively just paying for the NXDS, two controllers, and the software. And all three still make a ton of money they couldn't have made otherwise.

Well he's made some very good predictions. He even predicted that the PS3, 360 and Wii would be the last consoles ever.... oh!

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/90443-Pachter-This-Is-The-Final-Generation

What would be holding graphics back would be bandwith, not the PSNow servers. 4K direct feed images would kill your internet. A for the rest, I may reply to it later, or I might be lazy and not bother, because it's not like it will really matter, Sony have their plans and our internet discussions won't change them, it's only a bit of fun, and I'm going to bed now.

Damn the PS4 isn't at its peak yet this thread could wait lol.

PS5 will come out... after PS4... but before PS6. it will be of a dark achromatic color... it will be smaller than PS3... and lighter than PS2... it will have a game pad that fits in two hands... i see at least one little slot where you can put sth into... sth small... the fiery ashes of the broken twin peek monument will rain down onto earth. human civilisation will suffer the inevitable wrath the cosmic order of the quantumverse has foreseen. the forces of chaos will be unleashed and their embodied vengeance will run rampant in the tunnels of ra... wait ... aye... reception got a little wonky... sorry... where was i? right, yees, PS5... and it will be designed and produced by a company going by the name S&N CCE.