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plzdontbanme on 17 March 2008

I'll go once if it is free. I just don't wanna be the only Asian guy there.



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konnichiwa on 17 March 2008

No I hate it...






timmah on 17 March 2008
kamil said:

@timmah:

I beg to differ! There are many scientific studies that show Churchgoers live an average of 1.8-8 years (or so, depending on the study) longer than non-churchgoers. If a weekly churchgoer spends roughly 1.5 years in church, they have a net gain of life OUTSIDE of church over the non-churchgoer.

So God gives that time back to us . And if you go to a church you enjoy, like I do, you don't consider it time lost, but time well spent. My time in church not only will probably give me longer life than otherwise, but it will help me to live that life better and more fulfilled!

Weekly for me!

A few quick sources:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_church_good.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm

http://www.webmd.com/news/20000809/religious-people-live-longer-than-nonbelievers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LivingLonger/story?id=1242497



If you look at his list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
you really won't see religious countries at top of the list. In fact US which is considered the most religious rich country is at 29th position below most European
secular countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand (lower is Denmark and - also quite religious - Ireland). I know that this only shows correlation but so does your reports (and did not prove any mechanism beyond this).

Where did comparing countries come into this? That makes no sense whatsoever and does absolutely nothing to disprove my point, nothing. To do a SCIENTIFIC comparison of the corrolation between life expectancy and religious activity, you would have to eliminate as many other external factors as possible- diet, physical activity level, obesity, genetics, etc. By comparing different countries, you have introduced a myriad of different factors that can effect life expectancy. For example, do you think national obesity MAY have some effect?? How about the war zones? They seem to have a low life expectancy. You have to compare apples to apples so to speak. This moves your point far out of the realm of reason as relating specifically to religion. You're really reaching on that one.

The studies I cited compared people that were similar in geography, age, culture, eating habits, etc. Find a study of that nature that disproves the point and try again.



damkira on 17 March 2008

I was raised agnostic and I'm agnostic today so I've never been to church.



brainteeth on 17 March 2008

im moslem so i go every friday to make sallah there so if that counts i go weekly lol



 

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abcedarian on 17 March 2008

Well, I'm a minister... so yeah, I go to church pretty often.



plzdontbanme on 18 March 2008
timmah said:
kamil said:

@timmah:

I beg to differ! There are many scientific studies that show Churchgoers live an average of 1.8-8 years (or so, depending on the study) longer than non-churchgoers. If a weekly churchgoer spends roughly 1.5 years in church, they have a net gain of life OUTSIDE of church over the non-churchgoer.

So God gives that time back to us . And if you go to a church you enjoy, like I do, you don't consider it time lost, but time well spent. My time in church not only will probably give me longer life than otherwise, but it will help me to live that life better and more fulfilled!

Weekly for me!

A few quick sources:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_church_good.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm

http://www.webmd.com/news/20000809/religious-people-live-longer-than-nonbelievers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LivingLonger/story?id=1242497



If you look at his list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
you really won't see religious countries at top of the list. In fact US which is considered the most religious rich country is at 29th position below most European
secular countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand (lower is Denmark and - also quite religious - Ireland). I know that this only shows correlation but so does your reports (and did not prove any mechanism beyond this).

Where did comparing countries come into this? That makes no sense whatsoever and does absolutely nothing to disprove my point, nothing. To do a SCIENTIFIC comparison of the corrolation between life expectancy and religious activity, you would have to eliminate as many other external factors as possible- diet, physical activity level, obesity, genetics, etc. By comparing different countries, you have introduced a myriad of different factors that can effect life expectancy. For example, do you think national obesity MAY have some effect?? How about the war zones? They seem to have a low life expectancy. You have to compare apples to apples so to speak. This moves your point far out of the realm of reason as relating specifically to religion. You're really reaching on that one.

The studies I cited compared people that were similar in geography, age, culture, eating habits, etc. Find a study of that nature that disproves the point and try again 

 Everyone knows that religion and science don't mix.

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That Guy on 18 March 2008
plzdontbanme said:
timmah said:
kamil said:

@timmah:

I beg to differ! There are many scientific studies that show Churchgoers live an average of 1.8-8 years (or so, depending on the study) longer than non-churchgoers. If a weekly churchgoer spends roughly 1.5 years in church, they have a net gain of life OUTSIDE of church over the non-churchgoer.

So God gives that time back to us . And if you go to a church you enjoy, like I do, you don't consider it time lost, but time well spent. My time in church not only will probably give me longer life than otherwise, but it will help me to live that life better and more fulfilled!

Weekly for me!

A few quick sources:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_church_good.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm

http://www.webmd.com/news/20000809/religious-people-live-longer-than-nonbelievers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LivingLonger/story?id=1242497



If you look at his list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
you really won't see religious countries at top of the list. In fact US which is considered the most religious rich country is at 29th position below most European
secular countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand (lower is Denmark and - also quite religious - Ireland). I know that this only shows correlation but so does your reports (and did not prove any mechanism beyond this).

Where did comparing countries come into this? That makes no sense whatsoever and does absolutely nothing to disprove my point, nothing. To do a SCIENTIFIC comparison of the corrolation between life expectancy and religious activity, you would have to eliminate as many other external factors as possible- diet, physical activity level, obesity, genetics, etc. By comparing different countries, you have introduced a myriad of different factors that can effect life expectancy. For example, do you think national obesity MAY have some effect?? How about the war zones? They seem to have a low life expectancy. You have to compare apples to apples so to speak. This moves your point far out of the realm of reason as relating specifically to religion. You're really reaching on that one.

The studies I cited compared people that were similar in geography, age, culture, eating habits, etc. Find a study of that nature that disproves the point and try again

Everyone knows that religion and science don't mix.
  

Ooooh I like where this is headed. Can I keep score, Around the Horn Style?

 

Timmah +1 for statistical data

Plzdontbanme -1 for using a generalization

                       -1 for being condescending

 

 



Valknut on 18 March 2008

As much as I would like to say I have never been, I have gone to Church about once a year for every 21 years I have been on this earth. Dont get me out of context for the way I say " I would like to say I have never been", because in honest truth I have nothing aganst most of the things a church of any sorts stands for. It is just that every time I go to a church something happens and am possitive I make it happen, but its always a bad thing.

-When I was baptised I swatted the candel out the hand of a " Hardcore " Religious persons hand, he went Beserk ( Like in Evangelion) over it and they had to get my dad to hold the candel for the rest of the ritual/serimony

-Every year I go to Mass, what group of religion hasnt had an effect so far. I always get very sick from the insense the burn, and I dont mean like " Cough Cough* Am sick mom no school for me ^^" I mean like " Blah*, I have never seen blood in vomit ? Blah*"

Thats why I dont go to church with my Christian family or my Agnostic girl friend. I am not a Book kind of religious person I govern my actions like someone is watching me, be it past on family and friends or a super powerful god, but you can be sure it is not the same kind of God that anyone else believes in. I made him hes mine, and because hes more powerful he made me so I could make him. An odd cycle yet I personaly dont care the what and why of what I think.

Anywho, I would have looked at that link in your Sig, but >.> You keep saying its " Your" Church like you run it you own it you are the Alpha and the Omega, and it personaly freaks me out that anyone thinks they could actualy posses something like a church. I have to agree with the way Samuel< Forgot the rest of his name now ^^; > Explained his dislike for churchs.

The way people put God before them selfs disturbs me. The way people sing his name in song like hes the end all be all. The way people Pray to him for guidence matierals and even emotion at times. It all freaks me out, to me and what my god is to me. I cannot ask him for something, I cannot have him give me what I need or want, he is there to keep me in line not * Dont read on if you dont care for vulgareness, Warned you have been * Wipe my ass for me, I do the dirty work and the clean work and he makes sure I do it what I consider the moraly right way to do it.

Edits have been made -_o.0_-

 



timmah on 18 March 2008
plzdontbanme said:
timmah said:
kamil said:

@timmah:

I beg to differ! There are many scientific studies that show Churchgoers live an average of 1.8-8 years (or so, depending on the study) longer than non-churchgoers. If a weekly churchgoer spends roughly 1.5 years in church, they have a net gain of life OUTSIDE of church over the non-churchgoer.

So God gives that time back to us . And if you go to a church you enjoy, like I do, you don't consider it time lost, but time well spent. My time in church not only will probably give me longer life than otherwise, but it will help me to live that life better and more fulfilled!

Weekly for me!

A few quick sources:

http://www.livescience.com/health/060403_church_good.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/05/990517064323.htm

http://www.webmd.com/news/20000809/religious-people-live-longer-than-nonbelievers

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/LivingLonger/story?id=1242497



If you look at his list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy
you really won't see religious countries at top of the list. In fact US which is considered the most religious rich country is at 29th position below most European
secular countries, Japan, Australia and New Zealand (lower is Denmark and - also quite religious - Ireland). I know that this only shows correlation but so does your reports (and did not prove any mechanism beyond this).

Where did comparing countries come into this? That makes no sense whatsoever and does absolutely nothing to disprove my point, nothing. To do a SCIENTIFIC comparison of the corrolation between life expectancy and religious activity, you would have to eliminate as many other external factors as possible- diet, physical activity level, obesity, genetics, etc. By comparing different countries, you have introduced a myriad of different factors that can effect life expectancy. For example, do you think national obesity MAY have some effect?? How about the war zones? They seem to have a low life expectancy. You have to compare apples to apples so to speak. This moves your point far out of the realm of reason as relating specifically to religion. You're really reaching on that one.

The studies I cited compared people that were similar in geography, age, culture, eating habits, etc. Find a study of that nature that disproves the point and try again 

 Everyone knows that religion and science don't mix.

Everyone knows that your general and unsubstantiated statement must be true. That was a brilliant one sentance argument. Wow, the sources, the science, the absolute brilliance behind your statement is overwhelming :-p.

Edit: your one sentance argument fails because most of these studies were done by non-religious scientific people to simply study a corrolation between activity in religious services and life expectancy. This was not a group of 'religious people' trying to make themselves feel better about going to church, and it's not just one biased study either, it's many studies over a period of time that tend to have the same result.