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Griffin said:
Looks like someone let all the liberals out, there must be free weed and cheetos around

 That's a lame joke and a gross characterization of an entire swath of the population. I'd bitch you out about it more but I've got to find that damn cheetos and weed!



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^^ hhhhmmmm free weed and cheetos.... what were we talking about...??? oh yeah weed and cheetos....



 

 

 

Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

Kazadoom's sig:

"Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven! (John14:6)"

But the heaven in the Bible is defined by Christians as a perfect eternal place that you can go by worshipping Jesus. So the claim tells us nothing new.

And there's no heaven.

And, did John 14:6 actually say it just like that, or have you misquoted Holy Scripture?!??

And, Bush has not only affected the US and world economies in several ways (good posts by stof and Desroko ^^), but there are a number of other ways that Bush has been horrible for the people of the US and the world. Example, the HUGE debt from the unnecesary Iraq war is not the only way that the Iraq war is reckoned wrong - if you believe in human rights while we are still alive on this puny imperfect planet before Bush and the conservatives of every nation manage to bomb us all right to "heaven" (make us worm-food).

Jesus would denounce the Iraq war.

So this thread has devolved into "Let's criticize other people's religion!" Great....

Even though Bush has made a whole lot of bad decisions, I think many people try to make him out to be some sort of real life Emmanuel Goldstein. Let's blame one person for every single negative thing that happens in the world!

 



I'm not going to get into an argument or "debate" in this thread. I'm just going to post my (grim) economic worldview. You can believe it or lump it, or hopefully something in between. If it helps, pretend every sentence starts with "IMO." And I don't claim to be particularly smart or knowledgable on the subject.

This is not a temporary problem which will go away with a change in President, a change in Fed chairman or a withdrawal from Iraq. It is not limited to the housing market, either. And it has only begun.

You have to ask yourself WHY lenders were giving loans to people who couldn't repay them. To do this in a free market would be enormously stupid. Why give away money you don't think can be repaid? The market is manipulated by the Fed, of course. They set interest rates, creating tons of credit that shouldn't exist. This means all sorts of people can buy homes cheap, and since the real estate market has had consistent, stable growth, all sorts of people get in the market as an investment rather than to own a home or place of business. The buyers market gets crowded, prices go way up, detached from realistic values, and a crash becomes inevitable.

The stock market is in the same position now. Congress admits openly that their "stimulus package" is for "the people who will spend it the quickest." In other words, as elected officials, they can't give money directly to Wall Street, so they turn poor people into the middlemen to hand it over to big business as fast as possible, and when we eventually have to print the money that Congress and in turn those poor folk already spent, they automatically become poorer as the dollar is devalued. (I'm not blaming this one action; the bulk of our policy ends up pointing this way.) But Wall Street keeps growing, and so the whole world invests in Wall Street focused on growth instead of profits. The purpose of real estate is to live or do business on; the purpose of stocks is to receive dividends. The purpose of neither is to "buy low and sell high." And so the buyers market gets crowded, prices go way up, detached from realistic values, and a crash become inevitable.

But its hard to blame the retards in there now anymore than the 80 years of retards before them, and stupid to think the next retards can stop all this. This is the inevitable result of central money planning. No secret board of bankers can plan the whole economy. They'll inevitably manipulate the market in unintended ways, and when things get bad, they'll serve their own interests first.

Which is why, right now, the only indicators that still look okay are their bogus propoganda indicators. "Core inflation," the Dow and the rest. Don't be fooled.

I personally think a long term depression is looming, and will strike sometime in the next ten years.

There will be ways to avoid it. Cheap entertainment like videogames will do well, for one. We're seeing how they're "recession proof" already. Liquor will do well. Gold will hold stable as world currencies plunge (though it will be worthless if people don't have food).

So, uh, that's my grim economic worldview.



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Wow, Sony just fell below 4000 yen. It hasn't been that low since 2005. Nintendo is taking a beating too.



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kazadoom said:
All you people blaming George Bush, please name one thing that he specifically has done to cause this? It is amazing to me that you think that one man has all this power. Please name one thing that he himself did specifically that caused Japan's bad market, if it really is that bad. Plus the US market other than the housing market is not bad anyway.

This is ridiculous. It's like asking what are all the things the ANT-CHRIST has done that makes him such a bad person.



Markets go up and markets go down. It's part of the natural business cycle. Get over it people.



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I don't consider the dollar losing a third of its value part of the natural business cycle.



FishyJoe said:
I don't consider the dollar losing a third of its value part of the natural business cycle.

 Why not? Really, I'm asking this as a serious question. I guess I'm asking for the underlying prolegomena of what is meant by "The Natural Business Cycle" and introduction and defnition of the terms that will be used for further discussing of whatever polemics you are advocating.

 I mean really, why is this not a part of a natural business cycle? 



kenzomatic said:
Loud_Hot_White_Box said:

Kazadoom's sig:

"Jesus Christ is the ONLY way to Heaven! (John14:6)"

But the heaven in the Bible is defined by Christians as a perfect eternal place that you can go by worshipping Jesus.  So the claim tells us nothing new.

And there's no heaven.

And, did John 14:6 actually say it just like that, or have you misquoted Holy Scripture?!??

And, Bush has not only affected the US and world economies in several ways (good posts by stof and Desroko ^^), but there are a number of other ways that Bush has been horrible for the people of the US and the world.  Example, the HUGE debt from the unnecesary Iraq war is not the only way that the Iraq war is reckoned wrong - if you believe in human rights while we are still alive on this puny imperfect planet before Bush and the conservatives of every nation manage to bomb us all right to "heaven" (make us worm-food).  

Jesus would denounce the Iraq war. 


I hope you get banned for being a douchebag.


I agree. I haven't personal attacks and trolling like this in a while. Go back to whatever forum you're from.

I also agree that we like to tag every problem to Pres. Bush. It's easy and no one bothers to disagree.



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