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Nymeria said:
On forums and comment section neutral comments tend to go ignored. People engage the radical statements like "We should nuke Iran!" or something similar and the whole discussion goes on a tangent. People in general like to view opposing views as caricatures, and when they find them they leap onto them discarding more nuanced and subtle opposition.

Thoughtful discussion takes time and energy, mindless arguing or mocking is fast and easy with no effort.

Yes, and it's made worse by the fact your post will be misinterpreted for the sake of an easy comeback (that shouldn't exist in the first place). Here's an example:

'I'm not keen on the additions to *game*, although I'm willing to rethink that if it's implimented well.'

Here you are taking a neutral stance but those who have already decided you have an extreme view will ignore the neutrality:

'We all know why you're not keen on those additions. If it was on your console of choice you'd think differently.'

From that point on, no matter what you say or how many times you try to return to a point of neutrality, dozens of other posters will have agreed with the misinterpretation and you're left with two option:

Do I continue explaining my position of neutrality or do I not bother and let them think what they want? Option one tends to lead to more argument because the extremem people want to pigeon hole you, and option two leads to high fives because they believe they've 'won' something (whatever that is). I tend to opt for the latter because I have no problem in 'losing' or 'being wrong'.



 

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Nymeria said:
On forums and comment section neutral comments tend to go ignored. People engage the radical statements like "We should nuke Iran!" or something similar and the whole discussion goes on a tangent. People in general like to view opposing views as caricatures, and when they find them they leap onto them discarding more nuanced and subtle opposition.

Thoughtful discussion takes time and energy, mindless arguing or mocking is fast and easy with no effort.

Well said. So maybe it's up to each individual to invest in an argument and articulate it in a respectful way, and to ignore, whenever humanly possible, the baiting comments that tend to poison the forum?



RolStoppable said:

I've become more radical in my opinions and becoming this radical is the reason why I admit it. After all, it's what people who drift towards an extreme usually do.

Seriously though, forums are merely a catalyst. They can bring out the worst of people and suck them into a hivemind, but whether or not that happens and remains a continual state of mind depends on the individual. How much of a breeding ground for extreme opinions any given forum is depends on how it is moderated. In the specific case of VGC, there are much more people who mellowed down over the years rather than doubled down on their initial beliefs.

My biggest belief is that a stupid person should be called an idiot. That's why I have done it twice in the last 24 hours.

Can we get a forum rule change so that this becomes possible for everyone even when not being called Rol? I'm constantly itching to tell people that or at least that they are being stupid, would be way easier if I could just be straight with that. Lol



I was always open to new things and games and all. Always got multiple consoles even if I was a super Sega fan back in the day I still had Nes, GB, Playstations etc... on forums I just learned to dislike fanboys more than I though possible.



I've become a lot more calm, mellow and reasonable. Then again, I've got older and wiser and experienced more so you'd expect that.



 

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Veknoid_Outcast said:

Very interesting take. 

I can tell you I wish there were more nuanced posts on this and other forums. Seeing things in black and white doesn't allow much room for debate.

So what can members do about it? Is it about trying new and different things? Taking the time to reflect on our tastes and opinions? Giving opposing viewpoints more respect? 

I think there's very little forum users can do to be honest. All that CAN be done is that mods like yourself could keep a close eye on conversations and consider who is trying to be deliberately incitefull and who is trying to be reasonable (but still incites). THAT is an impossible job to undertake and it would mean following every single poster in every single topic to try and understand where they 'tend' to come from (we're not always perfect).

I'll have to use a word here that will infuriate a lot of people and definitely have them looking at my less than thoughtout posts lol (the second half of that sentence will be ignored):

The real question is: How do you encourage maturity from people who have no intention of being mature?



 

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Veknoid_Outcast said:

So, this is something that's been on my mind for a long time. Do gaming sites like VGChartz and others tend to radicalize members? By radicalize, I mean to shift an opinion toward one extreme end of a spectrum.

Before you began posting here (or elsewhere) were you more moderate in your opinions? More open-minded? Did the clash of opinions on a video game forum like VGChartz make those opinions more extreme and/or inflexible? 

Or was it the other way around? Did the free exchange of ideas and viewpoints on forums like this one soften the intensity of your opinions? Did you find yourself open increasingly to different ideas and perspectives? 

I'm curious to hear your experiences. Have you become more radical in your opinions and communication since joining the site? Or more moderate? And why do you think that is?

For VGChartz in particular, it's the exact opposite.  I learned to be more moderate with my tone, less accusatory, less flame-baity, less gloating.  And that's in large part to the more reasonable and logical users on the site, who either having an valid and educated opposing viewpoint, or have no horse in the race, and offer up logical reasoned responses. 

I think there are certainly some sites, that encourage a more radicalized dialogue, but because VGChartz is more about numbers, and the discussion thereof, it kind of shifts the sites main focus away from what radicalizes many other sites.  Granted, this could entirely be how I view the site, because, I don't really come here to see reviews or social commentary from the sites writers (I have other sources for that), so I generally don't even read reviews here and thus don't really take part in those discussions.

There are certainly areas VGChartz staff could improve, though.  I think some fanbases get away with far worse than others (could just be perception, also), and I think some mods do the site a disservice, by enforcing silly rules, on the pretenses of it 'bothers' people, resulting in bans, that now leave certain community threads nearly dead (which runs counter to the claim that certain infractions, turn users off from commenting in certain community threads).



I think this site is very heavily Nintendo biased.

I could literally count the amount of Xbox fans on one hand.



Currently own:

 

  • Ps4

 

Currently playing: Witcher 3, Walking Dead S1/2, GTA5, Dying Light, Tomb Raider Remaster, MGS Ground Zeros

I will praise something one day and bash it the next. I calls em like I sees em. In general, I'm a Nintendo guy first and foremost but I don't give anybody a free pass. The problem with being an extreme fan is that you just can't accept when your company fucks up of it they aren't the best in every area. If you can't accept that other people see things differently than you.... you might be crazy!



GribbleGrunger said:

The real question is: How do you encourage maturity from people who have no intention of being mature?


If everybody ignored them, they would eventually stop.  But we all know that's highly unlikely to ever happen.