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DKII on 16 March 2008
Final-Fan said:
My question is: why do libertarians seem to be so much cozier with Republicans, with whom they partially agree (market deregulation/privatization/etc.) and partially disagree (civil liberties/secularism), than with Democrats, with whom they also partially agree (civil liberties/secularism) and partially disagree (market regulation/gov't programs/etc.)?

Because they know that none of the crazy personal life/religious things the Republicans come up with will ever come to pass so disagreeing with them on those is not really a problem. ;>



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FreeTalkLive on 16 March 2008

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Kasz216 on 16 March 2008
LordTheNightKnight said:
BTW, I don't get the term big government. What I mean is that big doesn't equal bad in all situations, so it's not a good descriptive term for what the problem is.

Big government should be called bloated government. The difference is that the US has a big government merely because this is a big country, and trying to run it with anything small, like the Articles of Confederation, didn't work.

A bloated government is bad not because of its size, but because of its inefficiency. We get too many people doing the same job, and just getting in the way, like Russia before and after the rise of communism.


Well that and we have people doing no jobs.  The Department of Education should just be one guy that cuts checks.

There is also a department in homeland security that cuts checks to the states... based on possible terrorist targets.  Except ant state can list anything as a terrorist target really and they get full money. 

So if Montana is going to get as much homeland defense money as NY that's actually been attacked twice and boreder states why bother just send them a check? 

Though it's not like state governments are perfect.  The way we fund our schools in my state has been deemed illegal by the state supreme court.  Yet that hasn't been changed... for years.

 



Final-Fan on 16 March 2008
DKII said:
Final-Fan said:
My question is: why do libertarians seem to be so much cozier with Republicans, with whom they partially agree (market deregulation/privatization/etc.) and partially disagree (civil liberties/secularism), than with Democrats, with whom they also partially agree (civil liberties/secularism) and partially disagree (market regulation/gov't programs/etc.)?
Because they know that none of the crazy personal life/religious things the Republicans come up with will ever come to pass so disagreeing with them on those is not really a problem. ;>
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Final-Fan on 16 March 2008

It looks to me like Republican America has a hard-on for gay-bashing. And libertarians are helping to stroke it.



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fkusumot on 16 March 2008
Final-Fan said:
It looks to me like Republican America has a hard-on for gay-bashing. And libertarians are helping to stroke it.

 That's odd. Why would libertarians be against homosexuality? Does libertarianism have a moral code? And if it does, what is it's philosophical underpinning?
 



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outlawauron on 17 March 2008

rocketpig said:

Boil it down and you've got yourself a moderate Libertarian, which isn't that far from a classic Republican before the party went and found God.


Wanted to respond to this.

So your saying that Libertarians are good because they don't believe in God, and that God is the reason for the downfall for the Republican party. (despite early republicans still believing in God.)

Or did I take it out of context?



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Kasz216 on 17 March 2008
fkusumot said:
Final-Fan said:
It looks to me like Republican America has a hard-on for gay-bashing. And libertarians are helping to stroke it.

That's odd. Why would libertarians be against homosexuality? Does libertarianism have a moral code? And if it does, what is it's philosophical underpinning?


I don't think so. Well it has a moral code, that's basically the old "everyone should be able to do anything they want so long as it dosen't hurt anyone else" code.

Or at least... that's what i thought.

Either way, most of America has a hard on for Gay Bashing last i checked, even lots of democrats hate the idea of gay marriage. 

I mean, the Bush V Kerry debates on gay marriage pretty much went like this.

"I'm against them their, gays and I think it should be in the constitution that gays can't marry."

"Now, I think that doesn't make sense, it's already illegal, so this law wouldn't do anything except take away states rights." (wait isn't that the republican stance?)

"You love gays!"

"No I don't I'm against gay marriage I just think it's stupid to make it double illegal!."

I think even during that election even most democrats were against gay marriage. 



fkusumot on 17 March 2008
outlawauron said:

rocketpig said:

Boil it down and you've got yourself a moderate Libertarian, which isn't that far from a classic Republican before the party went and found God.


Wanted to respond to this.

So your saying that Libertarians are good because they don't believe in God, and that God is the reason for the downfall for the Republican party. (despite early republicans still believing in God.)

Or did I take it out of context?


 I'm not rocketpig but I took what he meant as a moderate libertarian being akin to the old North-East brand of republicanism circa 1940 up to the point when the reactionary christian agenda hijacked the previous republican values. If I got that wrong I'm sure rocketpig will rip me a new one.



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rocketpig on 17 March 2008
Final-Fan said:
It looks to me like Republican America has a hard-on for gay-bashing. And libertarians are helping to stroke it.

The notion of even giving a shit about homosexuality completely defies the very basic principles of Libertarianism. The party believes in complete social freedom.




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