backlash is reasonable, not all backlash is reasonable. even what you list some of those responces are reasonable.Also note some of them are coming from both fanbases his statements have pissed off. Some of the responces have even more hyperbole than his statments but not all of them. Even calling for him to go isn't really unreasonable if taking into context the responces that his statements have made, though I'm sure not always stated in a reasonable way.

Even the downvoting isn't unreasonable. Some people say flat out he's right. I disagree because of the hyperbole as well as how most companies anounce most games in a similar time to Nintendo, yes there are exceptions but Nintendo has them as well. Not all though but sometimes it's not what's said it's how it's said that get's the downvotes.

Well, imho he was being HIGHLY hypocritical with that comment. But obviously you and I see things differently.

but was he mostly right? 5,6 years isn't motly right for anything. Not for any companies e3 show, not for any companies history. It's mostly wrong. TLG and FFXV don't make him mostly right. Most companies release most there games within a window not very different from nintendos windows. Some noticable exceptions but some are comparable to the zelda teaser.  Peopel don't agree with saying an exageration is right, or mostly right.

Mostly because it was a dig at Sony even though Sony has done that pretty much exactely as many times as Nintendo has in recent years.

We don't know how long the FFVII remake will take, but it is just a remake, so it's quite possible we could see it before the end of 2017

Shenmue 3 has a tentative release window of december 2017. Could it get pushed back? Sure. But as of right now it was announced less than 3 years before it's supposed to launch. Which about as much time as there was between Brawl being announced and it launching.

It's really just TLG that fits what he was saying.

Edit: I'll also add that the language he used implies (or at least came across to a lot of people) that it was a systemic difference. That Nintendo as a company has a policy of not announcing games early while their competition does, which is just untrue.

Well, I don't expect you to see things my way. It took me three pages of this thread to understand that nobody is gonna make you change your mind. That's why I said that obviously you and I see things differently. And I respect that.

And any reason I could provide you has already been said in this thread (and you have already rejected it all).

"Well argued post and many valid points. Anything that disagrees with the post-E3 hype consensus tends to get shouted down, regardless of who 'won' E3. In the immediate aftermath of E3, I thought many forums were much as you described them: places of discussion not up to their usual level of intelligence, interaction and thought.

Ultimately, though, Sony are better at presenting and communicating than Nintendo or Microsoft right now, and they did the most to play into the hype machine at E3, and that gets reflected and exaggerated on the internet."

(That's what I wanted to post yesterday, but the thread was locked when I attempted to do so)

They showed zelda in a tech demo in 2011.  Leaked more info in 2012 and gave an 'Official announcement in 2013. I don't know why you keep continuing this 2014 lie. It's not substantiated by any facts. That's 3 years to 2016. Not 2. Which blows your whole speal out of the water. It's basic math. http://www.zeldadungeon.net/wiki/Zelda_Wii_U " It was first announced during a Nintendo Direct in 2013" Quit the lies already. It's sad at this point.

The thing is though, the thing about Nintendo announcing Zelda in 2014 isn't a lie in the sense that Reggie means. This thread is about Reggie's comments during E3 2015, mostly focusing on the discussions about show casing games and announcing them. The comments in question are:

“Our mentality was that we want to showcase at E3 games that are launching over the next six to nine months”

and

"... We also know that the best way to launch a game like that is to surprise and delight them, to give them a launch date, in an environment like this let them play it vs. what other companies do which is to announce a project that you may not see for five, six years..."

Zelda was first announced in 2013, yes, as stated "On January 23rd, 2013 during a Nintendo Direct video stream, Eiji Aonuma updated about the progress of Zelda for the Nintendo Wii U. He stated that the game still had a significant ways to go..."

Then it was officially revealed at E3 last year, with the plan to release it in 2015, before being delayed. So in the end, Reggie isn't wrong entirely. Zelda was announced in 2013, which is going to be 3 years after the announcement, and footage revealed in 2014 with the intention of release in 2015, which, while likely missing 6 to 9 months, would have launched in 2015 at least. Sure, Zelda would have missed the 6 to 9 month period, but it was still set for 2015. So yeah, it's not wrong, according to Reggie's statement.

My statement isn't about reggie being right or wrong. My statement is about Padib's blatant lies about Nintendo's practices as well as the lies related to Zelda U. He's said numerous times that "Nintendo never announces a game more than 2 years before release" Which is flat out wrong and a lie. 

As far as reggie's comments goes “Our mentality was that we want to showcase at E3 games that are launching over the next six to nine months”  Nintendo wants to do a lot a things that doesn't mean it's going to happen. They have countless games that are released much longer than 9 months. You can't even honestly argue that with Zelda U's 2014 showcase. It's initial release wasn't 9 months away from the showcase it was at least 12. So no that's not partially wrong. It's entirely wrong. It completely misses the projection. There is nothing accurate or kinda right about it. it's incredibly dishonest and wrong.

"... We also know that the best way to launch a game like that is to surprise and delight them, to give them a launch date, in an environment like this let them play it vs. what other companies do which is to announce a project that you may not see for five, six years..."

They have one of the most infamous delays in history. They announced a game and said it was still going to be released for 10 straight years. So again he's not even remotely right since he is personally guilty of worse. There is nothing right about that. What he should have said is "This is our ideal goal but we recognize things happen and that goal can't always be met but it's something we strive for. Even if we have missed the mark in the past, sometimes by very large margins." So again no. He's not kinda right. The information he gave is entirely incorrect, dishonest, and insult to anyone who pays real attention to gaming. You aren't doing Reggie, padib, or yourself any favors by denying reality and lying for them, ignoring all logic in order to try and say they are "kinda right" when such a claim isn't even remotely true.

You forgot the zelda demo for Wii that was used as a proof of Wii being more powerfull than we though. And qol and vitality sensor also have been advertised several years ago. So Reggie was really in the wrong here, and going by his other accid comments about other companies I wouldn't let him off so easy.

And you could really use your own advise .