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Kasz216 on 14 March 2008
Euphoria14 said:
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Kasz216 said:

It's quite damaging to the brain.

However if people want to damage their brain who the hell am I to argue?

I've had more then one friend who's screwed up their lives just do to pot. But like I said. Personal decision.


Want to find a source for that? Or could it just be bullshit propoganda.....hmmmm.

Odds are your friends lives were not screwed up because of pot. They screwed up their own lives, and pot was just part of the downward spiral. It doesn't force you to do anything or change who you are.

That being said, I don't think smoking all the time is good idea at all, but mainly because it's not healthy and makes you unambitious. It's not going to 'screw up your life' though; you do that yourself.


Well there is my degree in psychology which involved a couple classes about how both illegal and legal drugs effect the brain. So... how about any psychology text book on the effect perscription, nonperscription and illegal drugs have on the brain? Drugs aren't exactly foreign to psychologists as it's an entire field of study. A lot of groundbreakign psychologists use such drugs, and some teachers will actually almost suggest you try it. (though as to not go over the line and get fired or anything.)

They were fairly straightfoward falls for what it's worth. They started smoking pot. Then suddenly all they wanted to do was smoke pot, or smoke pot and do something else, to the point of where any night would be completly ruined unless they could get some pot.
Then they stopped wanting to do anything at all because they didn't have enough money for it and pot. Things like school they didn't even have patience for to do anything, and as such still sit around all the time and get high.

Once they hit the "Lets sit around and do nothing all day" phase that's when I was out. It's one of the same reasons i don't drink. I like to do stuff... or be entertained... or talk about things that are real and not bullshit. I don't mind talking about philosphy either, but pot doesn't really make you socraties all the sudden.

Edit: by the way, the non ambitious thing is what I mean about it damaging the brain. Do you know why you aren't ambitious if you smoke too much pot? Because it physically damages the brain


Nice generalization for all pot smokers you just did right there pal. You think you know what is going on in my head right now? You have no idea.

While I may not be a psychologist, I am a lowly warehouse worker. Smoking pot frequently and constantly pushing management to train me in all apsects of the job, not just in the warehouse, but in the offices next door as well as things like Quality assurance, etc...

Many things are done at my job and I strive to better myself at what I am doing at this point in my life while attending college to get my prerequisites done before I move onto something bigger with my life. I am only 23, I can't expect to be incredibly successful right now can I? I need to put away some money first so I can afford to go back to school full time. You have to work for it, but according to your logic, I will most likely end up nowhere and sit at home smoking my life away because I want to do it no matter where I am and no matter what I am doing.

My girlfriend's sister just finished her full time schooling at Stony Brook University, she is now 24 years old and 1 small step away from becoming a Registered Nurse, which is a growing field here in New York, plenty of money to be made. She smoked with me quite a few times. She also has a great 2 year old son and a husband who is close to finishing his schooling to be a physical therapist.

Yet in my case as well as their's... your logic fails.

As blaydcor said. We are responsible for our own actions. Quit shifting the blame elsewhere. If someone is a screw up in life, it is his/her fault and his/her's alone, nothing is handed to anyone. Even pot smokers achieve alot in life. Would probably blow a fuse if you ever found out some pot smokers achieve more in their lifetime than you do.

 

To be honest, I have hands on experience as to how a "psychologist" screwed up peoples lives. Perfect example is my brother. You don't want me to get into that. Yes he is responsible for what he now does, but unlike pot someone was actually telling him what he should and shouldn't do. Like talk back to my parents and hit my sister when she said something that offended him. Let us know he was still with me in Elementary school when he saw this "psychologist".

I guess I started getting into it anyways. I'm sorry but in my experiences psychologists think they know us better than we know ourselves. In my opinion... they should just mind their business and let us live our lives.

 

Sorry if this post comes out offensive, it is nothing against you personally, but I have just had a VERY bad history with psychologists.

 


What generalization? Marijuana damages the part of the brain that has to do with ambition. It's a fact. Just how cigarettes damage the lungs yet someone can go their entire life smoking cigarettes and never get cancer... and yeah bad psychologists can screw people up. Just how bad doctors kill people. Psychology is really a best guess job as far as clinical works.

Still unlike Psychology as an art to heal peoples mental problems, psychology as it deals with the physical effects drugs have on your body is based on research and hard facts.


My girlfriend is currently taking psychology, we debate all the time.

I personally don't mind if it does indeed harm the brain. Although is this due to inhalation? Does it also imply for those who ingest it?


Unless.  You know the person beforehand and actually saw how ambitious they were in the first place and weren't actually treating them in a clinical way.  That's the thing though.  This isn't a clinical issue it's a good old neurochemost issue.

The frontal lobe controls motivation and a number of other things, marijuana causes damage to the frontol lobe making it less active.  

Regardless, It effects people who injest it.  The "high" is partially what does it.  That's what effects your frontal lobe in the first place.



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Moongoddess256 on 14 March 2008

Eh salvia doesn't have much recreational value. And it only lasts a couple of minutes. Which is probably why its not illegal, it doesn't have long lasting effects at all. I don't know about the extracts though, I've only had the leaf.



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kopstudent89 on 14 March 2008

Nope never touched that kind of stuff, i dont even drink.



sc94597 on 14 March 2008
Moongoddess256 said:
Eh salvia doesn't have much recreational value. And it only lasts a couple of minutes. Which is probably why its not illegal, it doesn't have long lasting effects at all. I don't know about the extracts though, I've only had the leaf.

Well if not supervised while using it the person using it could harm his/herself or others. That is more of an imminent danger than long term, but could lead to death. Also there was one case where a lady's son got depressed and eventually killed hiself while under the influence of salvia. I guess it's ok if you have somebody watching you. Does it affect your lungs at all?



Kasz216 on 14 March 2008
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

What generalization? Marijuana damages the part of the brain that has to do with ambition. It's a fact. Just how cigarettes damage the lungs yet someone can go their entire life smoking cigarettes and never get cancer... and yeah bad psychologists can screw people up. Just how bad doctors kill people. Psychology is really a best guess job as far as clinical works.

Still unlike Psychology as an art to heal peoples mental problems, psychology as it deals with the physical effects drugs have on your body is based on research and hard facts. It's a fact... things like this actually do effect your brain. There is no "shifting" of blame, since they were the ones who smoked pot in the first place. It was their decision.

You gotta give people the right to screw up their lives though.


I just do not understand the last part of your post. Is that was aimed towards people in general or marijuana?

Just curious because if it is in reference to Marijuana, you are indeed making a generalization.

 

Alrighty, enough of this today. Maybe after sitting here all day posting about pot I can actually get off this damn laptop.

The internet, now there is a real addiction.


In general.  Marijuana can screw up a lot of peoples lives through it's use, so can beer, cigarrettes and cocaine.  So can a lot of things.

People should be given the right to make their own choices though, and if they make mistakes through the abuse of things, it's their own fault. 



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Moongoddess256 on 14 March 2008

Lol the frontal lobe, people with ADD which is about 1 in 5 people don't have much there to begin with. ADD had its purpose in evolution, so I can't say a "damaged" frontal lobe isn't without its benefits. Seriously, I'd smack you in real life if you really think that part of the brain is really all that important at all. Its just that modern society places too much value in organization and conformity. Fuck the system :D

 

sc94597 said:
Moongoddess256 said:
Eh salvia doesn't have much recreational value. And it only lasts a couple of minutes. Which is probably why its not illegal, it doesn't have long lasting effects at all. I don't know about the extracts though, I've only had the leaf.

Well if not supervised while using it the person using it could harm his/herself or others. That is more of an imminent danger than long term, but could lead to death. Also there was one case where a lady's son got depressed and eventually killed hiself while under the influence of salvia. I guess it's ok if you have somebody watching you. Does it affect your lungs at all?


 Smoking anything is bad for the lungs.

 



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akuma587 on 14 March 2008
sc94597 said:
 

Well if not supervised while using it the person using it could harm his/herself or others. That is more of an imminent danger than long term, but could lead to death. Also there was one case where a lady's son got depressed and eventually killed hiself while under the influence of salvia. I guess it's ok if you have somebody watching you. Does it affect your lungs at all?

 
I could definitely see how someone could hurt themselves or others around them from smoking salvia based on my own experiences with the drugs.  I never recommend salvia to anyone, although some of my friends have had much milder experiences than my own, so it isn't as bad for everyone as it was for me.  If you are going to go with hallucinogens, stick with shrooms and LSD.  Marijuana has soem nice hallucinogenic properties as well.

 



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Euphoria14 on 14 March 2008
Kasz216 said:
Euphoria14 said:
Kasz216 said:
 

What generalization? Marijuana damages the part of the brain that has to do with ambition. It's a fact. Just how cigarettes damage the lungs yet someone can go their entire life smoking cigarettes and never get cancer... and yeah bad psychologists can screw people up. Just how bad doctors kill people. Psychology is really a best guess job as far as clinical works.

Still unlike Psychology as an art to heal peoples mental problems, psychology as it deals with the physical effects drugs have on your body is based on research and hard facts. It's a fact... things like this actually do effect your brain. There is no "shifting" of blame, since they were the ones who smoked pot in the first place. It was their decision.

You gotta give people the right to screw up their lives though.


I just do not understand the last part of your post. Is that was aimed towards people in general or marijuana?

Just curious because if it is in reference to Marijuana, you are indeed making a generalization.

 

Alrighty, enough of this today. Maybe after sitting here all day posting about pot I can actually get off this damn laptop.

The internet, now there is a real addiction.


In general.  Marijuana can screw up a lot of peoples lives through it's use, so can beer, cigarrettes and cocaine.  So can a lot of things.

People should be given the right to make their own choices though, and if they make mistakes through the abuse of things, it's their own fault. 


 Alright. That sounds fair.

As long as you agree people should be given the choice on whether or not they can smoke marijuana, drink alcohol, etc.. that is good enough for me.  ;) I am one who believes man is the measure of all things so this works for me.

 



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sc94597 on 14 March 2008

Lol I like how everybody in this thread are recommending drugs. To me anything that affects my brain in a negative way is bad no matter how severe.



Gnizmo on 14 March 2008
Kasz216 said:

Unless.  You know the person beforehand and actually saw how ambitious they were in the first place and weren't actually treating them in a clinical way.  That's the thing though.  This isn't a clinical issue it's a good old neurochemost issue.

The frontal lobe controls motivation and a number of other things, marijuana causes damage to the frontol lobe making it less active.  

Regardless, It effects people who injest it.  The "high" is partially what does it.  That's what effects your frontal lobe in the first place.


The damage isn't quite as bad as you seem to be making it out to be. Smoking a few joints is not the same as jamming a screw driver into your skull. It takes a long period of excessive use for the damage to become apparent. Most recreational users will not see any large permanent mental damage because they are not ingesting enough to cause any brain damage.

Lol the frontal lobe, people with ADD which is about 1 in 5 people don't have much there to begin with. ADD had its purpose in evolution, so I can't say a "damaged" frontal lobe isn't without its benefits. Seriously, I'd smack you in real life if you really think that part of the brain is really all that important at all. Its just that modern society places too much value in organization and conformity. Fuck the system :D

While your blind comformity to non-conformity is getting a few irony chuckles out of me I feel the need to point out where you are wrong here. The frontal lobe of people with ADD is plenty active. A claim that there is not much there is absurd beyond belief. Not specializing in bio-psychology I won't try to spout hard facts on exactly what is going on there, but I will point out that a single pill every day is more than sufficient to treat 95% of all ADD cases. Please don't spout random nonsense as actual fact on this issue.



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