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Forums - Gaming - Can we PLEASE try refrain from saying "gamers won" this time around? (E3 related)

pokoko on 27 May 2015

Sorry, no.  Deal with it or don't; either way, you're not some kind of sanctioning body with the right to decide someone else's opinion and your subjective criteria really holds no real meaning.  All these companies at E3 are there to compete over sales, which means that is the only true definition of winning.  Not "oh snap, they just revealed they'll make a sequel to that average selling game I like, they won E3 automatically."  

Now, if you want to talk about which company won you over as a fan, that's entirely fine, but it's certainly not some kind of definitive.  It's also no better, and no less subjective, than someone feeling that they, as a gamer and a consumer, benefited from the competition.

DerNebel said:
Can we please realize that "winning" E3 is something that is entirely meaningless outside of gaming forums? The only year it had any kind of effect was 2013 and that was more because of everything leading up to the event.

Last year for example a lot of people said Nintendo won and nothing changed whatsoever in the big picture for them, even though some people seriously thought it would.

A certain company "winning" because they discovered internet streaming was a lot of fun for me personally.



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JEMC on 27 May 2015

But what if E3 is awful? Could we say that we, gamers, lost?



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RubberWhistleHistle on 27 May 2015
pokoko said:

Sorry, no.  Deal with it or don't; either way, you're not some kind of sanctioning body with the right to decide someone else's opinion and your subjective criteria really holds no real meaning.  All these companies at E3 are there to compete over sales, which means that is the only true definition of winning.  Not "oh snap, they just revealed they'll make a sequel to that average selling game I like, they won E3 automatically."  

Now, if you want to talk about which company won you over as a fan, that's entirely fine, but it's certainly not some kind of definitive.  It's also no better, and no less subjective, than someone feeling that they, as a gamer and a consumer, benefited from the competition.

DerNebel said:
Can we please realize that "winning" E3 is something that is entirely meaningless outside of gaming forums? The only year it had any kind of effect was 2013 and that was more because of everything leading up to the event.

Last year for example a lot of people said Nintendo won and nothing changed whatsoever in the big picture for them, even though some people seriously thought it would.

A certain company "winning" because they discovered internet streaming was a lot of fun for me personally.

Well! With that attitude I'm sure you have a lot of fun watching conferences and discussing what was shown. Or you don't participate in discussing anything because it's all just subjective and nobody has the right to say something was better than something else because that call is entirely based on their subjective criteria. 

Sheesh, you're really THAT guy who does this sort of thing? 



RubberWhistleHistle on 27 May 2015
rutea7 said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:
(...)

1. Did anybody make your jaw drop? Who dropped the biggest bombs?

2. Who had the most compelling software? (quantity and quality)

3. Which company made you feel like a kid on Christmas morning?

It seems every year, there are more and more people who have this idea that its cute or funny to say, "gamers won" but really, it's a useless statement that is usually accompanied by an aura of superiority. 

So what do you say, guys?


It's the only logical answer that can be applied to everyone.

Let's say that nintendo gives you the game that makes your jaw drop, the most amount of games that you wanted to see announced, they are the ones who made you feel like a kid on Christmas morning... They can't do any of that for me. At least not with their first party.

We all will be inclined to say the one who won is the one that showed us the things we like (I have a feeling for me it might be Square Enix this year, or Sony as usual if they have enough japanese third parties on stage)

Those 3 items you listed will always be subjective, there is no objective way to judge the show unless you evaluate from a technical, performance point of view (who had the better stage, lighting, less technical problems) and then you cant even evaluate the entertaining aspect cause it's still subjective to fanbase appeal.

It would be like evaluating someone's game library based on your own tastes... doenst work that way.

Umm.. I don't know. I guess I can only speak for myself here, but I find it entirely possible to say somebody won E3 even if it's not my favorite company. If Sony comes out and delivers compelling software that looks amazing, then I'll be the first to say they knocked it out of the park and won. If Nintendo is the only one that has games that I'm going to buy, that doesn't mean they automatically win. Like Nebel  said earlier, most people said Nintendo won last year.. do most people like Nintendo the best ? No.. So it seems to me that people are actually able to determine these things with something besides "I like this company the best, so they win! Derp."  

It's really not that hard 



pokoko on 27 May 2015
RubberWhistleHistle said:
pokoko said:

Sorry, no.  Deal with it or don't; either way, you're not some kind of sanctioning body with the right to decide someone else's opinion and your subjective criteria really holds no real meaning.  All these companies at E3 are there to compete over sales, which means that is the only true definition of winning.  Not "oh snap, they just revealed they'll make a sequel to that average selling game I like, they won E3 automatically."  

Now, if you want to talk about which company won you over as a fan, that's entirely fine, but it's certainly not some kind of definitive.  It's also no better, and no less subjective, than someone feeling that they, as a gamer and a consumer, benefited from the competition.

A certain company "winning" because they discovered internet streaming was a lot of fun for me personally.

Well! With that attitude I'm sure you have a lot of fun watching conferences and discussing what was shown. Or you don't participate in discussing anything because it's all just subjective and nobody has the right to say something was better than something else because that call is entirely based on their subjective criteria. 

Sheesh, you're really THAT guy who does this sort of thing? 

You don't really seem to understand what is being said.

I don't care if people want to argue subjectively and I'll even do so myself.  It's entertaining.  However, I'm not going to stomp around and try to enforce my own rules on the subjective opinions of other people based on my own subjective opinions.

I mean, are you THAT guy who does that sort of thing?



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veritaz on 27 May 2015
RubberWhistleHistle said:
vivster said:
Well, gamers will not win this time. Sony will win. They win everything out of pure hype and without games.


lol. you're a brave user for speaking such truth.


I hope you both are just joking unless you're still seriously still using that lie even though PS4 has the most games.



RubberWhistleHistle on 27 May 2015
pokoko said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:

Well! With that attitude I'm sure you have a lot of fun watching conferences and discussing what was shown. Or you don't participate in discussing anything because it's all just subjective and nobody has the right to say something was better than something else because that call is entirely based on their subjective criteria. 

Sheesh, you're really THAT guy who does this sort of thing? 

You don't really seem to understand what is being said.

I don't care if people want to argue subjectively and I'll even do so myself.  It's entertaining.  However, I'm not going to stomp around and try to enforce my own rules on the subjective opinions of other people based on my own subjective opinions.

I mean, are you THAT guy who does that sort of thing?

 

Is that what people do in "who won e3" threads? I don't understand where you're getting this from.



pokoko on 27 May 2015
RubberWhistleHistle said:
pokoko said:

You don't really seem to understand what is being said.

I don't care if people want to argue subjectively and I'll even do so myself.  It's entertaining.  However, I'm not going to stomp around and try to enforce my own rules on the subjective opinions of other people based on my own subjective opinions.

I mean, are you THAT guy who does that sort of thing?

 

Is that what people do in "who won e3" threads? I don't understand where you're getting this from.

I'm saying that the people who always complain about those who say things like "gamers won" are far more eye-roll-worthy than the people they're complaining about.  All you have to do is skip those posts and move on.  That's it.  Problem solved, no one loses, and we get less spam.



RubberWhistleHistle on 27 May 2015
veritaz said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:


lol. you're a brave user for speaking such truth.


I hope you both are just joking unless you seriously still use that excuse when PS4 has the most games.


Sony e3 was laughably bad last year. Anybody who did think they won thought so because of a trailer of Nathan drake getting up and walking off into the distance. Seriously, there are actually people who thought a CG video of Nathan Drake walking wad the pinnacle of e3. No substance whatsoever. Sony also dedicated a giant portion of their show to TV and shit  (seriously? ) and their biggest bomb was that they were working with bunjie to make sure destiny sold best on PS4. WTF Sony?! I'm not even a huge PS4 fan, but I was pissed! 

I'm not going to lie, when I saw LBP 3, I was a little excited, but when the demo showed that it was essentially no different than the previous installments, my excitement quickly died down. It wasn't a game that utilized the PS4's strengths, it was just a port of a PS3 game and the sales were a consequence of a poorly executed attempt at making a game that could have been good if they wanted it to be. Sonny's conference was horrendous 



RubberWhistleHistle on 27 May 2015
pokoko said:
RubberWhistleHistle said:

Is that what people do in "who won e3" threads? I don't understand where you're getting this from.

I'm saying that the people who always complain about those who say things like "gamers won" are far more eye-roll-worthy than the people they're complaining about.  All you have to do is skip those posts and move on.  That's it.  Problem solved, no one loses, and we get less spam.


Lol ok.. that still has nothing to do with stomping around enforcing opinions. At this point, you're really just leading me to believe that you want to disagree with anything I say because my last thread involved an "objective " list. I'm sorry it offended you so much that I called my opinion objective, but maybe you should just lighten up a bit. 

And who are you to say that people complaining about the gamers win comments are spam? I don't think they are, so stop enforcing your subjective assessment on what is and isn't spam on me! (See how this works?  ;) )