FragilE^ said:
TheLastStarFighter said: It's kinda like how society would frown upon someone who sits around and watches videos of kittens getting stabbed in the eyes with a pen and loves it. If you enjoy the idea of awful things, the rest of us aren't going to like it. That's how society works. At some point "born that way" doesn't cut it, and nothing about having a society says it needs to accept everyone. Evolution is about promoting desirable qualities, and enjoying the pain of others is not a desirable quality to most of us. |
Evolution among humans is basically gone. "Born that way" always cuts it, because natural selection is barely a factor - more or less everyone reproduces. More or less everyone lives. Being born a certain way, is the explanation. Laws dictate the rest, but they are far too tame to make a difference.
If society gravitates to mass executions based on sexual preferences, then sure. But that is not the society we are living in today (some are, homosexuals in certain third world countries for example..). Do you think that is a better world? It could be, in certain ways. It could also be extremely horrible.
A lot of people enjoy a lot of awful things. So what? In India, mothers sell their kids to "love temples" as "holy prostitutes", who then "pray" with anyone who pays. That is accepted in many areas of the country. You and I would never say that was good, but that is the way it is. Do you think we should invade and kill them all? Let "evolution" take over?
Enjoying the pain of others? Most of the first world countries make fortunes on war. Our economy would not survive if demands for weapons disappeared. This is reality. We thrive on war. The meat industry, and every other industry involving animal products, race to be the cheapest. This means that animals across the world are treated like ore from the ground, and not living beings. Look in to the fur industry, for example. HUMANS THRIVE ON SUFFERING. That is reality.
I don't want to see children get hurt. I want criminal people to be punished. But I'm not gonna act like I'm holy or something, that I should start a crusade on "evil". That would be disgustlingly hypocritical of me.
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- Saying evolution doesn't exist today is brutally and scientifically uneducated. Natural selection plays a major role in everything we do in our society. And in humans - as in other species - it doesn't necesarily mean you don't mate. It means you don't mate with the ideal partner. For example, an NBA player will have their choice of females and can choose someone healthy, intelligent or whatever other qualities they choose and the child will grow up with all sorts of economic environmental advantages. Someone who is labeled a pedophile in our society would be frowned upon, and most desireable mates will shy away from them. If they can find a mate, it will be someone who is not desired - perhaps sickly, hideous or some other non-desireable quality. As this process continues over generations, it can work to remove undesireable qualities. There is a reason humans are growing taller every generation - tall people have an easier time finding mates.
- Saying another wrong exists to justify a first is flawed thinking.
-I'm not advocating genocide of any kind. I'm simply saying that society doen't need to "accept" everyone. People are moving rapidly to accepting homosexuals because people are fine with what homosexuals do. Who cares if two consenting men have sex with each other? People are not moving toward being more accepting of other qualties which are not thought of as desireable. We are not moving to accept murderers. In India, there is a growing movement to punish harshly those that commit rape. This is the opposite of acceptance. Even in western society where we have "acceptance" movements about accepting people of different lifestyles or sexual orientation, there is often a movement of not accepting those who don't accept and shunning those with "old-fasioned" ideas on the topic.
Society is not moving toward a "born this way so it's OK" attitude. That's not the nature of human society. It's moved to accept homosexuals. But as a whole throughout the world we are moving toward a society where sexual violence is less accepted. Those that enjoy rape of others and forced or cohersed sex with children are less and less accepted.