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It makes simple logic that there exist pedophiles who haven't harmed pre-pubescent children if we all agree that a pedophile is either born that way or has some genetic or developmental predisposition to become that way. There is some time period between their birth and their first abuse victim. So obviously some percentage in this age-range has not harmed anyone.



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Anything out of the ordinary scares people. It's just yet another example of the xenophobia/tribalism still rampant around the world. Primitive thinking is still very much the norm...



Dunban67 said:

no we don t know-  the articles don t prove anything  but they make for nice propaganda

You have been shown a good deal of evidence, although imperfect and I continue to find more opinions from psychiatrists (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115") or adjacent statistics (such as the one I posted earlier).

You have presented nothing.

And yet you are asking me for more evidence.

I think we are done here.



sundin13 said:
Dunban67 said:

no we don t know-  the articles don t prove anything  but they make for nice propaganda

You have been shown a good deal of evidence, although imperfect and I continue to find more opinions from psychiatrists (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/14/local/la-me-pedophiles-20130115") or adjacent statistics (such as the one I posted earlier).

You have presented nothing.

And yet you are asking me for more evidence.

I think we are done here.


it is not very good evidence if yo can call it that-

and yes we are done here



Dunban67 said:
 


it is not very good evidence if yo can call it that-

and yes we are done here


LOL, it's certainly better than your evidence... oh wait, you didn't provide any.



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bouzane said:
Dunban67 said:


it is not very good evidence if yo can call it that-

and yes we are done here


LOL, it's certainly better than your evidence... oh wait, you didn't provide any.

no it realy isn t better

and you will never know how many if any  pedofiles there are that  don t/won t act -     So we only know what can be proved-  Why is this post even asking a question about a group of people we don t even know and can t know for sure exist (pedofiles who have not and will not act on their preference)

So to me, as a practical matter this thread is  about pedofiles that have acted and/or will act  and/or wish to act with less societal and legal consequence- 



Dunban67 said:
bouzane said:


LOL, it's certainly better than your evidence... oh wait, you didn't provide any.

 

no it realy isn t better

and you will never know how many if any  pedofiles there are that  don t/won t act -     So we only know what can be proved-  Why is this post even asking a question about a group of people we don t even know and can t know for sure exist (pedofiles who have not and will not act on their preference)

So to me, as a practical matter this thread is  about pedofiles that have acted and/or will act  and/or wish to act with less societal and legal consequence- 

We don't know how many exist, but we do know for sure some exist, unless these handful of psychiatrists and journalists are lieing about their interactions with said people. Even by basic logic we know they exist because pedophiles aren't born molesting people. Their first abuse victims happen after some point in their life. 



Toxy said:
JazzB1987 said:


The problem I have with this is the following tho.

How do you know if its non-consentual?

What if the child doesnt care? I mean lets assume the kid never saw movies or watched news or whatever and NOONE ever told the child that having sex can be something bad then the kid would not care.

Society just tells us whats good and whats bad.

What I mean by saying this?
Let me give you one example. (girl in this "story" being 25 years old not a 8 year old kid)

1 Girl is drunk and passes out. She gets raped. She never knows = no change whatsoever.

meanwhile in parallel universe.

1 Girl gets drunk passes out. She gets raped. She doesnt know for years and 3 years later someone tells her = OMG WORLD IMPLODES.

The only difference is in her head because know she thinks about how bad rape is in society and that she needs to feel ashamed sad angry scared etc.


Come on. Rape is bad regardless of whether the person is aware of it or not.
This should not even be a consideration.

'As long as they are not aware of it is okay' is one of the worst things someone could possibly say.
Rape/sexual assault is NEVER okay. It does not matter what age you are, what your sexual orientation, or what your gender is.

Just because someone may be ignorant of the situation, does not make it okay.


Who says that its okay? I just say that society trained us to see it as a super bad thing. And we only see it as that super bad thing when we know about it.

not rape but another example of our "logic".
Why do black people feel angry when whites call them N*****? Because they like to feel angry about that period! (would be worth its own thread imo)
Its also an advantage they have so they can forever and ever make others feel guilty.

A 20 year old white person never did something to a 20 year old black person so why all this nonsense? Why can black people call themselves the N word? (I mean I am not american at all its stupid enough that I am not allowed to write the word here.....arbitrary nonsense rule to protect hypersensitive people)

I mean I would not care if someone would call me something like that. its just a fucking word. If someone would insult me with some random farsi or chinese word I would not even understand therefore wouldnt care. So I just decide to not care even if the word is a word I understand.

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haxxiy said:

Complicated, man. Human evolution has basically been about making our adults look more and more like children, specially women. We favour younger-looking features, a trait called neoteny.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoteny for some clarification.

Attraction for children seems like a rather extreme form of that trait, one that clashes right on our instincts of nurturing and protecting our children and societal attitudes towards sex. No wonder its taboo, and always will be (at least I hope so). By the way, we did the same thing to dogs over the last few thousand years. Dogs are basically wolf pups, like we are almost hominid children.

Edit - it's actually striking when you stop to look how much an attractive women can look like a child. This is fairly unique among mammals, which only goes on to credit the importance of neoteny on our evolution:


Interesting concept, interesting data. Thanks!



Dunban67 said:
bouzane said:


LOL, it's certainly better than your evidence... oh wait, you didn't provide any.

 

no it realy isn t better

and you will never know how many if any  pedofiles there are that  don t/won t act -     So we only know what can be proved-  Why is this post even asking a question about a group of people we don t even know and can t know for sure exist (pedofiles who have not and will not act on their preference)

So to me, as a practical matter this thread is  about pedofiles that have acted and/or will act  and/or wish to act with less societal and legal consequence- 


Yes, it is better and saying otherwise does not change that fact. We may never know with complete certainty but we can at least gather evidence and develop informed opinions with you know, some basis in reality.

You made an asinine claim and are doing nothing whatsoever to back it up. Provide evidence or I, and likely everybody else in this thread, will rightfully dismiss your frankly ludicrous statements. What you assert without evidence I can dismiss without evidence, that is how logical human beings operate.

Additionally, just because you say a thread is about what you want does not make it so. The OP explicity stated that this thread was about pedophiles who are not child molesters and what you believe is of no importance because you are not the thread creator.

Do you understand how the world doesn't revolve around you and that your decrees aren't simply accepted as facts without scrutiny? Do you understand how you do not single handedly determine what a discussion is about? Do you understand that nobody is interested in discussing anything with an individual who has no interest in actually engaging in constructive dialogue, or pretending to consider other people's points of view, or acknowledge the sources that they provide to validate their claims (again, something that you yourself have failed to do)?

Stop wasting our time because that is all you are accomplishing here. I am done wasting my time on you so you can consider this my final word on the subject.