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Alby_da_Wolf on 30 May 2015
hsrob said:
Hynad said:
megafenix said:

Read accurately, if the 60fps is the 100% that we want to reach, then 30fps is 50% of that goal, meaning that if we increase 30fps again that would be another 50%

 

the same applies for 23fps to 30fps

how much is 23fps from 30fps(100% we want to reach), then the 7fps that we are missing are the ?% we still have to accomplish to get the 100%(30fps) since the 23fps percentage has already been achieved

 


The base isn't 30fps. That's the wanted outcome. You're looking at it in the wrong direction.

To achieve 30 fps, they don't have to work from 30 to 23. They need to get a percentage increase from 23 to 30.
They need to work up from 23. Not down from 30.

So, the % increase from 23 to 30 is 30%. Since 7 fps are missing to achieve that, and that number (6.9, in fact) is 30% of 23.

I have to agree with Hynad here. There is a convention for how we state these things, for a reason.

30 is 50% of 60, 60 is the comparator i.e. what you are comparing to. When you are are talking about an increase e.g. from 30, 30 is the comparator. So a 50% increase is 45, a 100% increase is 60.

If we consider 30fps as the ultimate goal, then 30 is the comparator and they have achieved 23 of 30 or 77% of their goal. If we are talking about an increase from 23, 23 is the comparitor. They require a 7 frame improvement from the current base (=7/23), they require a 30% increase from 23.

So we could say:

- We need a 30% increase from our current frame rate (23)

- We have achieved 77% of our goal (30)

Any other way is unconventional and bound to cause confusion.


This. While one can say correct things with his method too, it's not the correct one to say what's the increase needed from current performance.



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Zod95 on 30 May 2015
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.



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Goodnightmoon on 30 May 2015
Zod95 said:
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.


It´s all about simple logic.

 3        4         5        6       7       8

Nes - Snes - N64 - GC - Wii - WiiU
                       Ps -  ps2 - ps3  -ps4
                                Xbx - 360 -one

It makes no sense to call WiiU a last gen console, as it made no sense to call Ps1 a 4th gen console just because was way less powerfull than N64.



uran10 on 30 May 2015
Zod95 said:
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.


You need to look up the meaning of generation and not to tryto apply your own definition to it :)



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Zod95 on 30 May 2015
Goodnightmoon said:
Zod95 said:
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.


It´s all about simple logic.

 3        4         5        6       7       8

Nes - Snes - N64 - GC - Wii - WiiU
                       Ps -  ps2 - ps3  -ps4
                                Xbx - 360 -one

It makes no sense to call WiiU a last gen console, as it made no sense to call Ps1 a 4th gen console just because was way less powerfull than N64.

That is not a logic but an example. A logic is made of rules, criterias (for example: time). If time is the criteria you're using, then let me know what do think to be Zeebo's generation (which you didn't yet).

You claim PS1 is way less powerful than N64 and yet I don't see any N64 game with better graphics than Gran Turismo 2. Could I make such claim about a WiiU game in comparison to the entire PS4 catalogue? I guess not. Moreover, PS1 reads 700MB CDs while N64 reads 8/16/32MB cartridges. Has the WiiU media formats with 20 times the capacity PS4's blu-ray?

PS1 is clearly from the same generation as N64. Power more or less the same, they shared the same multiplatform games, etc. I don't recall any game launched on Saturn and N64 that wasn't launched on PS1. But I do know a tremendous amount of games that are launched on XOne and PS4 and that aren't on WiiU. The few WiiU's multiplatform games are also on X360 and PS3. Were the PS1 multiplatform games also on Mega Drive and SNES?

See the difference yet? I do. Game developers do also. The entire industry does. Do you?



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Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

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Zod95 on 30 May 2015
uran10 said:
Zod95 said:
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.


You need to look up the meaning of generation and not to tryto apply your own definition to it :)

More than 10 years ago, people (outside of gaming) told me the same about art when I dared to say videogames are art too.

Guess what? In recent years, videogames are being considered art by a growing amount of entities.

I apply logic. That's what my analytical skills are based on. And, like in the past, I'm not affraid of challenging a poorly defined concept as "generation" seems to be.



Prediction made in 14/01/2014 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 70M      WiiU: 25M

Prediction made in 01/04/2016 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 100M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 18M

Prediction made in 15/04/2017 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 90M      XOne: 40M      WiiU: 15M      Switch: 20M

Prediction made in 24/03/2018 for 31/12/2020:      PS4: 110M      XOne: 50M      WiiU: 14M      Switch: 65M

hsrob on 30 May 2015
Zod95 said:
Goodnightmoon said:
Zod95 said:
captain carot said:
Wii U is 8th gen with (much) less power.

In my view, power is what defines generations. I assume that in yours it's all about time. In that case, maybe Zeebo (a console launched 4 years after X360, which is 7th gen) could be considered 8th gen.


It´s all about simple logic.

 3        4         5        6       7       8

Nes - Snes - N64 - GC - Wii - WiiU
                       Ps -  ps2 - ps3  -ps4
                                Xbx - 360 -one

It makes no sense to call WiiU a last gen console, as it made no sense to call Ps1 a 4th gen console just because was way less powerfull than N64.

That is not a logic but an example. A logic is made of rules, criterias (for example: time). If time is the criteria you're using, then let me know what do think to be Zeebo's generation (which you didn't yet).

You claim PS1 is way less powerful than N64 and yet I don't see any N64 game with better graphics than Gran Turismo 2. Could I make such claim about a WiiU game in comparison to the entire PS4 catalogue? I guess not. Moreover, PS1 reads 700MB CDs while N64 reads 8/16/32MB cartridges. Has the WiiU media formats with 20 times the capacity PS4's blu-ray?

PS1 is clearly from the same generation as N64. Power more or less the same, they shared the same multiplatform games, etc. I don't recall any game launched on Saturn and N64 that wasn't launched on PS1. But I do know a tremendous amount of games that are launched on XOne and PS4 and that aren't on WiiU. The few WiiU's multiplatform games are also on X360 and PS3. Were the PS1 multiplatform games also on Mega Drive and SNES?

See the difference yet? I do. Game developers do also. The entire industry does. Do you?

Storage medium has absolutely NOTHING to do with power of the machine,  although it certainly did impact the appearnce of N64 games due lack of texture storage and obviously in terms of music.  I don't think there is any reasonable person who thinks the PS1 was on par with the N64, one exceptional game proves the talent of the developers, not the power of the machine.

See bolded, either you simply didn't game at that time or you are chosing to ignore a bunch of games.  I don't do list wars but seeing the present theme is proving a point with one game, Turok the Dinosaur Hunter is the first one that pops into my head. (but there are plenty of others)

Having said that, I agree that N64 is the same gen as PS1 but then so are the WiiU and PS4.  Generation is and has always been defined by time.



Hynad on 30 May 2015
hsrob said:

Storage medium has absolutely NOTHING to do with power of the machine,  although it certainly did impact the appearnce of N64 games due lack of texture storage and obviously in terms of music.  I don't think there is any reasonable person who thinks the PS1 was on par with the N64, one exceptional game proves the talent of the developers, not the power of the machine.

See bolded, either you simply didn't game at that time or you are chosing to ignore a bunch of games.  I don't do list wars but seeing the present theme is proving a point with one game, Turok the Dinosaur Hunter is the first one that pops into my head. (but there are plenty of others)

Having said that, I agree that N64 is the same gen as PS1 but then so are the WiiU and PS4.  Generation is and has always been defined by time.

Wait what? You mean it like two persons being born around the same year are from the same generation even though one is exceptionally gifted mentally and physically while the other is dumb as a rock and looks like a human rodent?

They really are from the same generation?

My world has been shattered.



hsrob on 30 May 2015
Hynad said:
hsrob said:

Storage medium has absolutely NOTHING to do with power of the machine,  although it certainly did impact the appearnce of N64 games due lack of texture storage and obviously in terms of music.  I don't think there is any reasonable person who thinks the PS1 was on par with the N64, one exceptional game proves the talent of the developers, not the power of the machine.

See bolded, either you simply didn't game at that time or you are chosing to ignore a bunch of games.  I don't do list wars but seeing the present theme is proving a point with one game, Turok the Dinosaur Hunter is the first one that pops into my head. (but there are plenty of others)

Having said that, I agree that N64 is the same gen as PS1 but then so are the WiiU and PS4.  Generation is and has always been defined by time.

Wait what? You mean it like two persons being born around the same year are from the same generation even though one is exceptionally gifted mentally and physically while the other is dumb as a rock and looks like a human rodent?

They really are from the same generation?

My world has been shattered.

My sincerest apologies:)

BTW, how do you know my brother? :p



Hynad on 30 May 2015
hsrob said:
Hynad said:
hsrob said:

Storage medium has absolutely NOTHING to do with power of the machine,  although it certainly did impact the appearnce of N64 games due lack of texture storage and obviously in terms of music.  I don't think there is any reasonable person who thinks the PS1 was on par with the N64, one exceptional game proves the talent of the developers, not the power of the machine.

See bolded, either you simply didn't game at that time or you are chosing to ignore a bunch of games.  I don't do list wars but seeing the present theme is proving a point with one game, Turok the Dinosaur Hunter is the first one that pops into my head. (but there are plenty of others)

Having said that, I agree that N64 is the same gen as PS1 but then so are the WiiU and PS4.  Generation is and has always been defined by time.

Wait what? You mean it like two persons being born around the same year are from the same generation even though one is exceptionally gifted mentally and physically while the other is dumb as a rock and looks like a human rodent?

They really are from the same generation?

My world has been shattered.

My sincerest apologies:)

BTW, how do you know my brother? :p


Ouch! xD