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What do you think the NX is?

Handheld Console 56 29.02%
 
Home Console 46 23.83%
 
Something else 91 47.15%
 
Total:193
JRPGfan said:


I dont buy it.

The cost in terms of performance from going from 1920 x 1080  ====>  4k resolution is mad.

While the resulting gain in visual quality isnt anywhere near that big.

 

Imagine a cheap nintendo device thats "only" 1080p that runs games at same quality as the PS5/Xbox2 (at 4k).

Alot of people will question why they spent so much more for their consols, with barely any gains in terms of graphics.

 

Ps5/ Xbox2 might still be too early for 4k gameing on consols.


I do agree with your compelling argument about top quality 1080p vs 4k. Polycount, lighting, and physics calculations would theoretically surpass 4k resolution at 1080p and for a FAR cheaper price. Potentially by a significant margin. That being said 4k resolution will be more pleasing to the eye and it will create an illusion of vastly improved texture quality that would blow the former out of the waters. I think one of the big three are going to push hard into 4k territory. I never claimed that it would be native 4k, but rather marketed as 4k with an upscale in the same sense last gen did with 1080p. This will be far easier to do in my opinion than it was with 1080p because more and more smart TV's are using a killer upscale tech. My old 1080i 68" tv from 2003 did a beautiful job of this. Games looked better on that TV than most 46" TV's with native 1080p and I have done side by side comparisons. The PS4 looks half decent when upscaled on a 4k TV. However the jaggies and quality of the edges of most objects look poor beyond all reasoning. Hence I would recommend a 1080p screen for these consoles unless your true motive is to flop your e-peen around. 4k movies look great, but most of them are not truly native at this time. Infact I believe none of them have been filmed in 4k resolution so in theory there is no TRUE 4k movie on the market. Companies are flopping the 4k logo around to sell more TV's. Sony is incredibly guilty of this act. Films will be true 4k before games are and I expect we will see more native 4k movies within the next couple of years.




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DélioPT said:
I think Pavolink's expression "line of hardware" is probably the most accurate way of talking about NX, at least in my opinion.

I once thought that Iwata just meant that both the handheld and home console would share the same OS and even games.
But then he said two things that make it impossible for it to be just that; for it to be "a brand new concept":

1 - They want to change how HW is sold
2 - "(...)taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country"

Actually, there's another he has been saying: "dedicated video game platform" and "dedicated videogame device".
Why doesn't he say devices or platforms instead of device or devices?
To me, that's proof that the platform is indeed the games and the HW is just a means to play it.

But i'm thinking that because games are the platform, Nintendo will change the way you access them. And that will be the brand new concept.
Nowdays you basically one version of HH or HC and that's it; all feature a disc/cartridge reader.

Why not have handhelds and home consoles with different kinds of specs (like PCs)? Why not a machine that allows streaming your games or that just allows downloads to HDD?

I think this is what Iwata is talking about: in countries/markets where new types of play options can be employed, they will do it.

So, i do think NX is a HH, a HC, just not in the traditional sense.

Oh ya, give Pavolink all the credit when I've used the term "family of devices" 100 times by now



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Whatever happened to those rumors of a "free-form screen" that Sharp was working on for Nintendo? Could that be for the NX?



Personally given the timing and the current climate of the Japanese videogame market, I believe Nintendo would focus more on their handheld future rather then try to compete in the main console market with a system that would just drive up expense of development even more.

Maybe it is the hybrid everyone suspects, but short of the surprise announcement that the NX is a retooled Wii U expansion device/successor a la Sega CD/32X or even Nintendo's own Famicom Disc drive add on in Japan or the N64's 64DD, is probably going to be related to Nintendo's strongest foothold in the market they care the most about... Japan.



Handheld... the hybrid is something that I see leading to issues.



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I think the NX will be a series of devices with similar architecture and the same OS, they'll also share most games maybe with some being exclusive to one of them. The devices could be a home console, a handheld and maybe a tablet or whatever they come up with.



I think it will be a handheld, but we'll have to wait until next year to find out what it is.



uran10 said:
Handheld... the hybrid is something that I see leading to issues.


Just about any strategy could lead to potential problems. It's quite clear that Nintendo needs to shake things up since their current strategy isn't working and they are having a hard time supporting two distinct platforms at once.



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zorg1000 said:
DélioPT said:
I think Pavolink's expression "line of hardware" is probably the most accurate way of talking about NX, at least in my opinion.

I once thought that Iwata just meant that both the handheld and home console would share the same OS and even games.
But then he said two things that make it impossible for it to be just that; for it to be "a brand new concept":

1 - They want to change how HW is sold
2 - "(...)taking into consideration various factors, including the playing environments that differ by country"

Actually, there's another he has been saying: "dedicated video game platform" and "dedicated videogame device".
Why doesn't he say devices or platforms instead of device or devices?
To me, that's proof that the platform is indeed the games and the HW is just a means to play it.

But i'm thinking that because games are the platform, Nintendo will change the way you access them. And that will be the brand new concept.
Nowdays you basically one version of HH or HC and that's it; all feature a disc/cartridge reader.

Why not have handhelds and home consoles with different kinds of specs (like PCs)? Why not a machine that allows streaming your games or that just allows downloads to HDD?

I think this is what Iwata is talking about: in countries/markets where new types of play options can be employed, they will do it.

So, i do think NX is a HH, a HC, just not in the traditional sense.

Oh ya, give Pavolink all the credit when I've used the term "family of devices" 100 times by now

:D

It's true, you have been using that expression for a while now.
I was reading some comments and his expression was actually very appropriate... aswell! ;)



Airaku said:

Believe me I am aware of the cost of 4k. I've got a powerful rig myself, I would need a dual card to be where I would want to be. By 2018 or 2019 I think the chips will be a lot more affordable than they are today. A lot of people seem to forget how much 1080p was at first when PC did it in 2004. As time goes on GPU's and CPU's become more affordable as they die shrink the chips. We may not have true 4k, but we are likely going to have an upscaling result in the way last gen faked 1080p. The consoles will likely even be advertised and marketed as 4k machines in the same manner last gen was marketed as 1080p machines. I think we will see a noticeable leap as far as consoles are concerned. I also believe that Octacores may very well be a standard by 2018. I think things are going to be quite different as we have more breakthroughs in technology. What we have on mobile phones right now is quite amazing, something that no one would have believed 5 years ago. We are seeing some amazing breakthroughs and results coming out and I think we are going to be surprised. People seem to forget that the PS4 and Xbox One are actually using midrange APU's, many laptops have more of a punch behind them. Jaguar is decent for the consoles but imagine what they would be like if they used Steamroller instead. Solely used with the games without all the background tasks hogging resources. I see some great potential if they went that route. Sure it would have been more expensive, but pretty sexy at the same time.

Price is a very important factor got the majority of the people and I do think the energy consumption argument isn't really an issue. I understand why it is though, it would be a huge issue in countries like Japan as opposed to America. So with that in mind it is clear why Nintendo and potentially Sony would both double down on their power consumption. It would be in their best interest to do so.

So yes I do believe that the PS5 and the next Xbox will be able to at least fake 4k. Smart TV's these days have a decent upconverter which only furthers my stance and belief that we will see a form of 4k with the next consoles. I don't recall ever claiming that the next consoles would be true native 4k. I do however believe that this possbility is a very likely reality. In time we will see, but I predict that there will be a shift into this direction regaurdless if it is native resolution or not.

In that case I agree. The resolutions next generation will be similar to the 7th generation. 720p/sub-hd upscaled to 1080p vs. 1080p/1440p/1600p upscaled to 4k and they'll be marketed as ultra-hd consoles. CPU's are mattering much less with each generation, so other than removing the bottleneck on GPU choice, I can't really see more CPU power translating into faster games in general (although there are specific exceptions.) The extra cores benefit multi-tasking more than anything else.  The next XB/PS should likely have cards capable of 8-12 Tflops if they want to maintain moderate power usage, medium form-factors, and cheap prices and they are to release in 2018/2019. We can generally predict how much power/energy usage GPU's will have and from there - their raw performance. Prices are more iffy, as they depend on other factors, but usually it is energy which is the limitation more than price (even though they are proportional.) 

Assuming more raw power being used in geometry (hinted by DX12's features) and other graphical features, it makes sense that they won't boost the image quality too much. Especially since the effects of increasing image quality are misicule relative to these other features. So yeah, 1600p rendered resolution, and maybe less with good AA should be what the next consoles will do. We should expect next-gen consoles to do stuff like SE's demo, but obviously to a lesser degree as they are using 4 Titans in the video, and demos always look better than in-game (8-12 Tflops vs. ~20 Tflops)

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/square-enix-on-dx12-it-took-around-three-weeks-to-get-the-basic-rendering-working-on-directx-12/