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jlauro said:
I don't care if there is shovel ware on the wii. Part of it is due to developers being unprepared for it's success and trying to cash in. As the library expands, developers will know that will not work well any long and stop giving it such a higher ratio of shovel ware...

As long as good games are made for the wii, I can pick and choose... ignoring lower quality games...

 

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The X axis is unlabeled and unexplained, the methods used for selecting games is undisclosed with the exception of top 10 chart, and in general there isn't enough information given to do anything but guess what its trying to say. So in essence we are left to take it on good faith that the graph has meaning.

But beyond all of that they are review scores and as I pointed out review scores are worthless unless you have the exact same tastes as the reviewers....considering metacritic is a composite review score its pretty much guaranteed to that the scores aren't born out of your tastes.

I'm not trying to be mean here but there are flaws beyond just my disagreement with the review scores.  The effort was well-intended I'm sure but the result isn't that great to be brutally honest.  With some adjustments it probably can be made useful but that would just get passed the technical issues with the graphs and we would still be left with the subjective nature of the data. 

Which is really the point. Lots of subjective data does not create objective data.  It is still subjective and by that virtue alone the data isn't meaningful unless you share the views and tastes. 



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Unless you're iterested in buying the entire library of Wii games, I don't think comparing how well a system's games does based on arbitrary(and sometimes biased) reviews should in any way alter the fun a person has with his or her system of choice regardless of which it is. I think people shouldn't be forced to justify, compare, or defend scores for games reviewed by people who work at companies that get ad money from people who make games. Enjoy the great games that are out there now without tying yourselves up in knots about what game scored one point higher on Metacrtic. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff, and this is pretty small. Please don't take this as criticism. Be happy. This message brought to you by Sprunk.



MontanaHatchet said:
naznatips said:
MontanaHatchet said:
naznatips said:
MontanaHatchet said:
sinha said:
naznatips said:
This graph is ridiculous. It shows absolutely nothing. I have no idea what you people are thinking who are agreeing with this, but you should probably take a few seconds to actually read what it's trying to show.

What makes the graph ridiculous, and how does it show absolutely nothing?

Someone is being a grumpy gus today. The graph shows something. It certainly can't show nothing when it has lines and numbers.


Okay, it shows something meaningless... are you people actually reading that? There is no way that data has any relevance whatsoever. If that graph were true, the Wii would have less games of every review score, including the bad ones. It shows no ratio, it has no key. It is completely nonsensical. For once I agree entirely with KingofWale.

Seriously do you people just look at any graph and assume it as meaning?


We went over this in the PM Naznatips, which you would know if you had read it...


I did... your PM said to explain why it was meaningless. So I did.

Yeah, but you keep on saying "you people". Plus you quoted my post...

*Breaks chair*

Mod fight!!!

Sorry, this thread needs some decent entertainment.

 


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I think I figured out the graph.

Y axis is definitly Metacritic score.
X axis seems to go from game to game down the list of games in score order. So for the Wii it should start with Galaxy, then Zelda, then Brawl and so on. I don't think that every single game is included, however.

In my opinion, it just shows how ill equiped traditional reviewers are for reviewing casual content. It seems like Wii games are getting an automatic 10 point deduction (on a scale of 100) just for being casual, or not HD, or both.

Just look at Wii Sports (76) and Wii Fit (80). These two titles are probably the biggest revolution in gaming since the transition to 3D, yet there is not a whole lot of love from traditional reviewers. In the meantime, the mainstream media and public can't get enough of this stuff.



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theRepublic said:
I think I figured out the graph.

Y axis is definitly Metacritic score.
X axis seems to go from game to game down the list of games in score order. So for the Wii it should start with Galaxy, then Zelda, then Brawl and so on. I don't think that every single game is included, however.

In my opinion, it just shows how ill equiped traditional reviewers are for reviewing casual content. It seems like Wii games are getting an automatic 10 point deduction (on a scale of 100) just for being casual, or not HD, or both.

Just look at Wii Sports (76) and Wii Fit (80). These two titles are probably the biggest revolution in gaming since the transition to 3D, yet there is not a whole lot of love from traditional reviewers. In the meantime, the mainstream media and public can't get enough of this stuff.

Sort of how movie critics hated on Star Wars, because it wasn't Easy Rider or The Godfather. Not saying those are bad movies, just pointing out the critical discrepancy. 



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

naznatips said:
MontanaHatchet said:
sinha said:
naznatips said:
This graph is ridiculous. It shows absolutely nothing. I have no idea what you people are thinking who are agreeing with this, but you should probably take a few seconds to actually read what it's trying to show.

What makes the graph ridiculous, and how does it show absolutely nothing?

Someone is being a grumpy gus today. The graph shows something. It certainly can't show nothing when it has lines and numbers.


Okay, it shows something meaningless... are you people actually reading that?  There is no way that data has any relevance whatsoever.    It shows no ratio, it has no key.  It is completely nonsensical.  For once I agree entirely with KingofWale.  

Seriously do you people just look at any graph and assume it as meaning? 


 

Wow, naznatips and some of the rest of you need a serious lesson in chart-reading.  What is the average age here, 15?  Take a statistics course or two, folks. 

"If that graph were true, the Wii would have less games of every review score, including the bad ones."

LOL!

To make a self-evident comment that is a borderline tautology:

EVERY ONE of the six consoles has... 100% of games... on that console.  The actual number of games per console is irrelevant (as long as it's a decent number and not just a few games, in that case there would be sample size problems).  And it's looking at every game with a review score rating, not a cherry-picked list (speaking of the first chart). 

The bottom is percentile.  Kind of like, say, a ranking by percentile for exam grades ("leoj's SAT score was in the 35th percentile"), or Gini coefficient, or many other graphs that are "true"...

Not surprisingly, it's explained right in the original post:

"1% of games increments across the bottom"

There are currently 200 Wii games with ratings, so if going by whole percentiles, "100%", or the 100th percentile, would be Super Mario Galaxy (97) and Zelda (95), so a score of 96.  0% would be Balls of Fury (19) and Anubis II (19), so a score of 19.  Wii is 96 at 100%, check, 19 at 0%, check again.  Well then, that settles that.

"Seriously do you people just look at any graph and assume it as meaning?"

Unfortunately, the only "seriously" here is that you are seriously embarrassing yourself.  That other folks such as Mr"stat"ball were able to look at the graph and find its meaning should have been a clue...



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LordTheNightKnight said:
theRepublic said:

Just look at Wii Sports (76) and Wii Fit (80). These two titles are probably the biggest revolution in gaming since the transition to 3D, yet there is not a whole lot of love from traditional reviewers. In the meantime, the mainstream media and public can't get enough of this stuff.

Sort of how movie critics hated on Star Wars, because it wasn't Easy Rider or The Godfather. Not saying those are bad movies, just pointing out the critical discrepancy. 


To quote George Lucas on Star Wars, from the back of the book "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls":

"Popcorn pictures have always ruled.  Why do people go see them?  Why is the public so stupid?  That's not my fault."



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

LordTheNightKnight said:
theRepublic said:

Just look at Wii Sports (76) and Wii Fit (80). These two titles are probably the biggest revolution in gaming since the transition to 3D, yet there is not a whole lot of love from traditional reviewers. In the meantime, the mainstream media and public can't get enough of this stuff.

Sort of how movie critics hated on Star Wars, because it wasn't Easy Rider or The Godfather. Not saying those are bad movies, just pointing out the critical discrepancy. 


To quote George Lucas on Star Wars, from the back of the book "Easy Riders, Raging Bulls":

"Popcorn pictures have always ruled.  Why do people go see them?  Why is the public so stupid?  That's not my fault."



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick