JWeinCom said: It's pretty simple. I have not seen any compelling evidence to believe in a deity. The idea of a deistic god (one who created the universe but does not intervene) is unlikely, but possible. The idea of a theistic god (one that does intervene) I find highly unlikely. The idea of of a personal god (one that is interested in human affairs) is something I am nearly positive does not exist. As for any god that has thus far been proposed by man (yaweh, allah, jesus, zeus, appolo, krishna, brahma etc.) I am as close to 100% sure they do not exist as possible (although in fairness I haven't been exposed to every single god). I would like to correct your opening statement. I did not choose to be an atheist, any more than I chose to believe in a heliocentric solar system. It is not a choice, but an interpretation of the available evidence. It's not a choice to believe in anything. It's a matter of how your mind processes the data. And if people would like to quote me and tell me I'm wrong, they may do so (it's fine by me, but I can't speak for the OP and mods). I'm pretty comfortable in my stance, and if anyone can actually prove a deity to me with evidence, I would welcome that. |
I figured I'd elaborate on this, because it covers my view well, and I might be able to provide a slightly different way of thinking about it.
What has been described is "Scientific Atheism" (and I'd describe my position as scientific atheism, too). It's rooted in the same principles that all scientific discovery operates under - you formulate a falsifiable hypothesis, and then test that hypothesis, searching for evidence contradicting it. If a hypothesis isn't falsifiable, it has no value, as there is no way to determine whether it is right or wrong.
As it is not possible to prove nonexistence of something (try to prove that there isn't a teapot floating somewhere in space between the earth and the moon), existence isn't falsifiable. So the hypothesis we test is "there is no god". And so, we seek evidence contradicting that statement. And scientific atheists generally have not been presented with evidence (that is in any way convincing) contradicting it.
Of course, there is also the classic saying "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" - basically, it's not enough to point to something, go "that is a lot less likely if there is no god than if there is one", and call it a day. Extremely unlikely event happen all the time, because the total number of events is extraordinarily massive. An event that happens exactly once across all time has a probability of 0, yet happens. And this is why it's so hard for a scientific atheist to be convinced of the existence of a deity - the sheer number of other plausible explanations make it very hard to disprove the nonexistence of god (you can disprove nonexistence, as far as physical "proof" goes, by observing something's existence). It will take more than a list of "miracles".
To demonstrate why, consider two examples of "miracles" that actually have solid scientific explanations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Mumbai_sweet_seawater_incident
Water in a particular river in Mumbai suddenly turned sweet, drawing massive numbers of people to drink the water. And indeed, the normally salty water had turned sweet. Seems like a miracle, right? As it turns out, fresh water from an area with rocks that produce a sweet flavour had made it into the river when the rocks had cracked (releasing the stored fresh water), and the fresh, sweet water floated on top of the salty water (before it had had a chance to mix). Meanwhile, many who partook of that water ended up with gastroenteritis due to the various bacteria and toxins in the river.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_milk_miracle
Hindu statues exposed to milk at their various trunks, etc, seemed to "drink" the milk. Turns out, it was capillary action drawing the milk out of the various receptacles, and they could trace the milk's path using coloured milk (coloured with food dye). So what seemed miraculous was just physics at work.
There are many more, but I don't want to make this too long. Other "miracles" of this sort have turned out to be hoaxes (almost all instances of "weeping statues" have turned out to be faked - most of the remainder have other scientific explanations that have been confirmed, leaving few without certain explanation).
Which naturally begs the question - are the unexplained "miracles" really done by a deity? Or are they unexplained because we don't know everything about the universe in terms of physics, chemistry, etc?
Scientific atheists generally consider most beliefs in deities to be cases of "god of the gaps" - basically, "we can't explain it, so it must be god". The same reasoning led to early human civilisations having a god of fire, a god of water, etc. As they grew more sophisticated, so too did the gods - god of fertility, god of war, etc. And as science explained more things, the number of gods dropped... now it's just one (in the western world - in the east, other religions are still polytheistic).
I would propose that scientific atheists are not worried about the unknown. We don't fear the unknown, we revel in it, because it means there is more for us to discover. We aren't afraid to say "I don't know", and don't try to come up with explanations before we have evidence or justification on which to base those explanations. We don't assume that spontaneous remission is due to god, we look for evidence of a cause (and science is slowly, but surely, unravelling explanations for it). It works exactly the same as how science itself works - hypothesise, then attempt to disprove hypothesis.
On the risk of detouring off topic, this is also why most scientists have a problem with "climate change denialists". They don't start with a falsifiable hypothesis. To be falsifiable, it has to be exact. "Human-related emissions of CO2 are causing the climate to change, increasing average temperatures" is an exact concept. "Something else is causing the climate to change" is vague. And when they do come up with a falsifiable hypothesis, they aren't interested in evidence contradicting their hypothesis ("sun spots cause climate change" - nope, extensive investigation has shown that it couldn't possibly explain it, but you won't hear the denialists admit it).
Of course, we're not going to be so arrogant (generally - I'm not going to speak for Dawkins, who I have little respect for) as to suggest that belief must be wrong. Religion and science exist in different thought processes. I do not claim that scientific reasoning is superior, just that it works for me. If you wish to consider certain "miracles" to support your view, you won't hear me complain (unless there's a solid scientific explanation, of course - same as how you wouldn't call "I found my keys" a miracle). Just realise that when you attribute the unknown to god, your thinking isn't the only possible way of thinking on the issue.