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What system is best for this?

Set age for sexualization 14 18.67%
 
Keep the games the same e... 37 49.33%
 
Keep current system in pl... 19 25.33%
 
Other 5 6.67%
 
Total:75

To me it would be silly. If you are not okay with a character being portrayed sexually then you should vote with your wallet by not buying it and not involving yourself with the game in any way and leave it at that. The Japanese portray their characters the way they do because it sells, that's the reason. Whether they are young boys, girls, women or men, there is a niche for every type of fanservice in Japan (and in the rest of the world too, although probably not as open) if you think that's sickening then don't look at it. As long as people keep buying it, the artists and developers will keep making it.

Even if most of the mainstream designs are trying-too-hard crap, I am glad for the variety they bring to the world.



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the_dengle said:
outlawauron said:

This made me laugh.

We shall see what happens. It wouldn't be overly surprising.

In regards to cultural relativism, etc. I think that people forget we're talking about a very niche game with a small target audience. This game will sell at most 200k in Japan? While far more than other games that get criticized, it's not like this game is an accepted piece of culture. Even if a society is more open to certain elements, it's not like it's a societal norm to be playing niche JRPGs.

I could see them bumping her up to 15 for whatever reason. Sometimes they do things like that. I don't think they would try to get away with pretending she's 18, though. I also think it's fitting that everyone in Bravely Default (even characters who were over 18 to begin with) was aged up by three years, so I was asserting that the increase would at least be a smaller one in X.

If I'm reading your last paragraph right, I think you're saying that there's no need to make changes to such a niche game? If that's the case I agree. I don't think there's any reason to make changes to this game no matter how much it would sell, though sometimes a tweak is made here and there to avoid the possibility of upsetting people, like the tiny edit made to one of the FE: Awakening DLCs.

The point was:

1. There's nothing really to gain from changing it.

2. Unrelated though, but people use "well, it's Japan" as an excuse, when it's not like this is something accepted mainstream. That's all.



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the_dengle said:

Make up your mind. At once you argue that outfits and poses alone can be sexual in nature, while noting the obvious difference between simple nudity and pornography. How can you reconcile this disparity? If nudity can be non-sexual, can't lingerie?

The outfit in Bravely Default is presented in a sexual nature. That's the whole point. The villain of that subplot seduces and exploits women with essentially a date rape drug. One of the main characters uses a sexy outfit to seduce him (or pretend to be seduced by him) and lure him into a trap. That's the plot. As for "why sexualize a child in the first place," as this is a single subplot of many in the game, I doubt this character's age was determined for that purpose. Naturally the outfit could be altered slightly and still be 'sexy', the character could have her age increased a bit without changing anything significant in this or any other part of the story -- in fact, for the localization this may have actually maintained the meaning better than keeping her original age. At some point I remember him saying that children don't interest him. In Japan, the age of consent is younger than in America, so I think the seduction of a 15-year-old might provoke different responses from different cultures... I'm no expert in world cultures though so this is just a thought.

Anyway, regarding the way the character's age was decided independently from her sexualization in this subplot, I think the same holds true for the outfit in Xenoblade X. They wrote a story involving a teenaged party member. All party members can wear the same outfits just like in Xenoblade, and it seems like this time rather than changing the outfit's appearance completely depending on which party member is wearing it, the outfits will have the same appearance across all party members of the same sex. This way each outfit only needs two different designs rather than one for each party member. They could have changed some of the outfits just for this one character, but it's really unnecessary. The first game also had a teenage (17) party member who could be stripped to her undies. I don't remember people getting mad about that? I think the absurd jiggle physics on the adults in Xenoblade were much more worthy of negative attention. I hope they fixed that shit in X, it was dumb watching them flop all over the place every time a woman turned to face a different character. Back on-topic, developers can do whatever they want to try to limit the player's ability to sexualize characters, but I think it's kind of like trying to prevent people from pirating your game. A wasted effort that won't really stop anybody and only inconveniences the player. After all, perhaps the best way to prevent the sexualization of any of the characters would be to remove camera controls entirely from the game. Obviously the developer wants the player to be able to equip their characters with 'sexy' outfits, and whatever you think about that, at least they're equal-opportunity about it. The dudes can run around in boxers and stuff.

Please explain the phrase "it looks like a 10 year old with an adult body." If she has an adult body, in what way does she look like a 10 year old? If you feel the sexualization of people or characters should be determined by how old they look and not how old they actually are, aren't you edging somewhat close to the ridiculous Australian censorship laws?


Make up my mind about what?  What do you think I'm being inconsistent about exactly?  Outfits and poses can be sexual in nature if they are designed with the purpose of invoking sexual thoughts.  Nudity can be non-sexual.  Take National Geographic for instance.  It has pictures of naked tribal women, but the magazine is not created to turn people on.  It would be sexual if you put lingerie on those same women and had them posing, even though they are no longer nude.  This is why I think your Bart Simpson analogy fails.  It wasn't created to be sexual, regardless of the brief nudity.  

The outfit in Bravely Default is sexual in nature - and it's on a CHILD.  That's is exactly the point.  It's disturbing.  It turns a child into a sexual object.  I understand that there are cultural differences between the US and Japan.  I also understand they have a different age of consent, but it is actually higher than most US states.  All Japanese districts have laws that make the age of consent 18 without parental approval.  

The phrase she 'looks like a 10 year old with an adult body' means exactly that.  It looks like they took a 10 year old, give her hips and boobs, and then stuffed her into lingerie.  It's typical for anime to make the characters look as young as possible which is why I find the art style that much more disturbing when it's sexualized.  

To be clear, I'm not some sexual prude . I'm fine with sex and even nudity in all forms of media - including games.  I do have an issue with any form of media promoting children as sexual objects.  This could be as simple as sexing up what looks like a young child (no matter what age they decide to give it).