Any data to back that up?

See how ridiculous that sounds? That's an observation, not something stated as a fact. Also, your example is weak as hell, unfortunately. Do you like everything you did when you were a child? Did you wake up one day and said, "I'm 13, no more hide and seek for me!!!". That's not how it works. People find different hobbies when they grow older. Obviously it doesn't happen with everyone, but it does happen with a lot of people, especially the ones that have an active social life and play sports in their spare time/need. Until a certain age, for many children games are all they talk about, but then it becomes all about girfriends/sex, cars, competitive sports, etc.

we are in fact in crisis
dlc micro. cash cow method
unfinished games, small games full price

pushing that to aside we really need sega
sega literally had that other taste. when sega went oblivion it clearly showed a gap in the market.
sega has that category of games you dont really see anymore

nightshade ps2
shinobi ps2 md saturn 3ds
monkeyball

its not nin or sony or ms style its sega shizz and we need that.
so while we are pretending sony is the saviour. but they are dranked in debts in the market. and the gaming division barely holds up even tho its the most profitable. lets not go into exageration shall we?

U do have a point, there was a 2-3 year gap in high school where I didn't play games as much because of wrestling and trying to get laid lol

But the point is this type of thing still happens, in huge numbers despite Playstation coming along and making gaming "cool". Like I already pointed out, gaming was heading in this direction in the years before Playstation's release simply due to people who grew up gaming in the 80s, now becoming young adults in the 90s.

That's why games like Mortal Kombat, Doom, etc were getting made, if the gaming population was basically just children would these types of games have gotten made? Probably not, and look at Goldeneye, it sold over 8 million and was played by a ton of teens & young adults without the help of Playstation.

I think people are getting things mixed up, it wasn't Playstation that made games for teens/adults successful, it was games for teens/adults that made Playstation successful. Considering fighting games like Street Fighter & Mortal Konbat were extremely popular on Nintendo/Sega, why wouldn't Tekken have been successful on them as well? 1st person shooters like Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, Turok were popular on non-Playstation hardware in the mid-90s, why wouldn't 3rd person shooters like Tomb Raider, Resident Evil or Metal Gear Solid be as well? Racing and sports games were very popular before Playstation as well, no reason to assume games like Ridge Racer or Gran Turismo wouldn't have found success on other platforms. Mario, Sonic and Donkey Kong were huge in the early 90s so I don't see why Crash or Spyro wouldn't have found success on Sega/Nintendo.

I will give Playstation credit for making Final Fantasy really big in America, since that series was around for nearly a decade on Nintendo hardware and never really took off in America.

That pretty much covers all the really big selling games on Playstation, they pretty much all belonged to genres that found a lot of success on hardware in the years leading up to Playstation's release.

I am mainly a PC gamer, and have been for a long time, but I don't like the direction PC gaming is going.

For example on a console you put the game disc in and play , that's basically it.

Some games may ask you to register an account to get bonus features, but that's it.

On PC? You have Steam the main platform. Unfortunately even if you buy a game on Steam it comes with a bunch of bundleware.

Many games now, especially from big publisher bundle their own sales platform.

Buy an ubisoft game on steam? download and install and run uplay stuff to play (while steam is also running )

Bought an EA game (or want to play one) ? install origin

Not even talking about the DRM stuff, I was angry with Games for Windows Life, fortunately games are patched away from it now.

PC gaming is becoming less and less friendly now-a-days.

Nope, PC gaming is different than console gaming. Console gamers don't care about the average pc game: crpg, mmo, simulators, rts, mobas etc. They also aren't gonna exchange the comfort of playing games on the couch to their work desk pc to play some console ports, if they wanted to play console games they'd get consoles. If Playstation wasn't there, gaming would be simply smaller, still seen as for kids and nerds. Considering where Nintendo and Sega where going, it'd likely have crashed already trying to compete against the mobiles.

Without Playstation and the hundreds of millions it brought, budgets for games wouldn't have grown accordingly so 90% of the AAA games you've ever seen in the last 20 years wouldn't exist or in a smaller form. Nintendo and Sega would be fighting for their dwindling user bases since the SNES/Megadrive era. People take it for granted that PS made gaming mainstream. Nintendo's fan base is diminishing gen over gen, the share of loyal Nintendo buyers even decreased with the Wii considering how few of them are left to buy the Wii U. "if Sony didn't enter someone else would've done it" so many companies tried in the 80s/90s, none could replace the PS. Sony was there at the right time at the right moment, no one could've done it but Sony. They were the biggest electronics manufacturer and they had expertise in gaming(making the superior sound chip in the snes and they had a studio making games for the console).

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I would hope somebody else would have seen the potential of the industry and have stepped in.

If not then PC gaming would truly reign supreme.

I am mainly a PC gamer, and have been for a long time, but I don't like the direction PC gaming is going.

For example on a console you put the game disc in and play , that's basically it.

Some games may ask you to register an account to get bonus features, but that's it.



On PC? You have Steam the main platform. Unfortunately even if you buy a game on Steam it comes with a bunch of bundleware.

Many games now, especially from big publisher bundle their own sales platform.

Buy an ubisoft game on steam? download and install and run uplay stuff to play (while steam is also running )

Bought an EA game (or want to play one) ? install origin

Not even talking about the DRM stuff, I was angry with Games for Windows Life, fortunately games are patched away from it now.



PC gaming is becoming less and less friendly now-a-days.

Nintendo was planning on having a CD based system after the SNES and saw the future advantages of CD technology.

There were 3 major players when it came to optical disc based drives back then, i.e. Philips, Sony and Panasonic.

If Nintendo didn't feel the need to differentiate itself from the Playstation controller, its own cotroller would've been an evolution of the SNES controller.

The Wii and the Wii U would both never have existed.

Whether that's positive or negative is a non-issue, but this is the important part.

None of this really makes sense, why exactly would the Nintendo/Sega userbases be dwindling? U do realize their hardware sales dropped in the 5th & 6th generation due to Playstation, without Playstation those sales would have gone elsewhere, at least in America/Japan. Gaming was already mainstream in those regions.

SNES+Genesis+PC Engine=about 100 million, about 20 million outside of America/Japan

PS1+N64+Saturn=about 145 million, about 55 million outside of America/Japan

So basically the America+Japan console market went from 80 million in the 4th Gen to 90 million in the 5th Gen, how exactly is 90 million mainstream but 80 million isn't?

Playstation deserves all the credit for making gaming mainstream outside of America/Japan but let's not act like gaming wasn't already big in those regions. Here's a gen by gen breakdown of sales in America & Japan

2nd gen-Atari 2600/5200+Intellivision+Colecovision=roughly 30 million in America

3rd gen-NES+Atari 7800+Master System=roughly 40 million in America

4th gen-SNES+Genesis+Turbografx 16=roughly 50 million in America

5th gen-PS1+N64+Saturn=roughly 60 million in America

So as u can see the American console market was showing steady growth before Playstation came along.

3rd gen-Famicom+SG 1000/Mark III=roughly 20 million in Japan

4th gen-Super Famicom+PC Engine+Mega Drive=roughly 27 million in Japan

5th Gen-PS1+N64+Saturn=roughly 30 million in Japan

As u can see here as well, Playstation didn't do a whole lot to move gaming forward in Japan.

Can we stop pursuing this myth that Playstation made gaming mainstream and instead give them credit where credit is due for growing the console market in regions outside of America/Japan?

Do you have the change from the generation before Sony joined to the generation they joined and after? Its the only accurate way to about the true growth. As for Europe and Asia...its obvious that Sony compared to Microsoft is considered the worlds console of choice. Where Microsoft succeeds in America and possibly even Europe, Sony succeeds pretty much everywhere else. If Microsoft loses America or even ties with Sony in Europe or America its over. Microsoft's best selling console is still on par with Sony's lowest. There is no true comparison between the two in terms of world penetration. Nintendo has a better shot at that, especially if they were to get back in the good graces of third parties with their multiplats.