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sc94597 on 19 April 2015
contestgamer said:
sc94597 said:

20%+ of people are  a 0 + 1 on the Kinsey Scale, is what is being said. But I'm sure another 10-15% are a 2, which is bluring the lines between "straight" and "bisexual." I guess it depends on what you consider "straight." I personally don't consider somebody who is "more than incidentally" homosexual/heterosexual to be straight/gay. I consider them bisexual. But I know many people who would think that if somebody prefers the opposite sex they are straight, prefers the same sex they are gay, and there is no such thing as bisexual except for the percentage of people who like both sexes equally. You are perfectly able to provide a study that says otherwise. 

 

What do you mean that you're "sure" another 10-15 chose 2? Where do we see that number to know it's not 30 or 60 or 70%?

Also for reference his studies are incredibly small in comparison to far larger ones with far better sampling and totally different results. His methodology amounts to junk science:

 

There have been serious criticisms pertaining to sample selection and sample bias in Kinsey's research. In 1948, the same year as the original publication, a committee of the American Statistical Association, including notable statisticians such as John Tukey condemned the sampling procedure. Tukey was perhaps the most vocal critic, saying "A random selection of three people would have been better than a group of 300 chosen by Mr. Kinsey." [2]. Criticism principally revolved around the over-representation of some groups in the sample: 25 percent were, or had been, prison inmates, and 5 percent were male prostitutes. A related criticism, by some of the leading psychologists of the day, notably Abraham Maslow, was that he (Kinsey) did not consider the bias created by the data representing only those who were willing to participate.

I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. 

5300 white males and 5940 white females provided almost all the data, with the majority of participants being younger white adults with some college education. (This part of the sample is referred to as the "College Sample.") Kinsey tried to compensate for volunteer bias in his sample by interviewing 100% of the individuals available in a given organization or group. Approximately 25% of the sex histories came from these 100% groups. (Kinsey did not believe a random sample was possible.)

Certainly in 1950 only 1% of people will admit they're homosexual. Most modern surveyS have seen that number increase to at least 5%. 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-percent-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-5012467/?no-ist

According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent. The authors explain that their methodology might have something to do with it:

Participants were randomly assigned to either a “best practices method” that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a “veiled elicitation method” that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01).

^ And again that is only people admitting their same-sex attractions. 



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contestgamer on 19 April 2015
sc94597 said:
contestgamer said:
sc94597 said:

20%+ of people are  a 0 + 1 on the Kinsey Scale, is what is being said. But I'm sure another 10-15% are a 2, which is bluring the lines between "straight" and "bisexual." I guess it depends on what you consider "straight." I personally don't consider somebody who is "more than incidentally" homosexual/heterosexual to be straight/gay. I consider them bisexual. But I know many people who would think that if somebody prefers the opposite sex they are straight, prefers the same sex they are gay, and there is no such thing as bisexual except for the percentage of people who like both sexes equally. You are perfectly able to provide a study that says otherwise. 

 

What do you mean that you're "sure" another 10-15 chose 2? Where do we see that number to know it's not 30 or 60 or 70%?

Also for reference his studies are incredibly small in comparison to far larger ones with far better sampling and totally different results. His methodology amounts to junk science:

 

There have been serious criticisms pertaining to sample selection and sample bias in Kinsey's research. In 1948, the same year as the original publication, a committee of the American Statistical Association, including notable statisticians such as John Tukey condemned the sampling procedure. Tukey was perhaps the most vocal critic, saying "A random selection of three people would have been better than a group of 300 chosen by Mr. Kinsey." [2]. Criticism principally revolved around the over-representation of some groups in the sample: 25 percent were, or had been, prison inmates, and 5 percent were male prostitutes. A related criticism, by some of the leading psychologists of the day, notably Abraham Maslow, was that he (Kinsey) did not consider the bias created by the data representing only those who were willing to participate.

I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. 

5300 white males and 5940 white females provided almost all the data, with the majority of participants being younger white adults with some college education. (This part of the sample is referred to as the "College Sample.") Kinsey tried to compensate for volunteer bias in his sample by interviewing 100% of the individuals available in a given organization or group. Approximately 25% of the sex histories came from these 100% groups. (Kinsey did not believe a random sample was possible.)

Certainly in 1950 only 1% of people will admit they're homosexual. Most modern surveyS have seen that number increase to at least 5%. 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-percent-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-5012467/?no-ist

According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent. The authors explain that their methodology might have something to do with it:

Participants were randomly assigned to either a “best practices method” that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a “veiled elicitation method” that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01).

^ And again that is only people admitting their same-sex attractions. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-survey-gives-government-its-first-large-scale-data-on-gay-bisexual-population/2014/07/14/2db9f4b0-092f-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html

 

The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

The figures offered a slightly smaller assessment of the size of the gay, lesbian and bisexual population than other surveys, which have pegged the overall proportion at closer to 3.5 or 4 percent

 

Far larger sample size with over 30k respondants. Most surveys from 1950 to today have been consistent with these percentages. 

 

Also I understood this: "I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. " My point was that this assumption seemed to be arbritaririly low. Without the actual data it could be 10% or 80%.



Materia-Blade on 19 April 2015
sc94597 said:
kinisking said:

It's mostly due to how the kinsey scale works. A somewhat decent portion of people who are "bisexual" (2,3,4 on Kinsey scale) likely consider themselves straight or gay. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale

RatingDescription
0 Exclusively heterosexual
1 Predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual
2 Predominantly heterosexual, but more than incidentally homosexual
3 Equally heterosexual and homosexual
4 Predominantly homosexual, but more than incidentally heterosexual
5 Predominantly homosexual, only incidentally heterosexual
6 Exclusively homosexual
X No socio-sexual contacts or reactions

About 11% of people are a three (bisexual with no preference.) 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Reports

  • Men: 11.6% of white males aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives.[22]
  • Women: 7% of single females aged 20–35 and 4% of previously married females aged 20–35 were given a rating of 3 for this period of their lives. 2 to 6% of females, aged 20–35, were given a rating of 5[24] and 1 to 3% of unmarried females aged 20–35 were rated as 6.


Exactly. Most people are bisexual (some more than others), but because of this stupid society, most of those people consider themselves as heterosexuals.



Materia-Blade on 19 April 2015
contestgamer said:
sc94597 said:
contestgamer said:

 

What do you mean that you're "sure" another 10-15 chose 2? Where do we see that number to know it's not 30 or 60 or 70%?

Also for reference his studies are incredibly small in comparison to far larger ones with far better sampling and totally different results. His methodology amounts to junk science:

 

There have been serious criticisms pertaining to sample selection and sample bias in Kinsey's research. In 1948, the same year as the original publication, a committee of the American Statistical Association, including notable statisticians such as John Tukey condemned the sampling procedure. Tukey was perhaps the most vocal critic, saying "A random selection of three people would have been better than a group of 300 chosen by Mr. Kinsey." [2]. Criticism principally revolved around the over-representation of some groups in the sample: 25 percent were, or had been, prison inmates, and 5 percent were male prostitutes. A related criticism, by some of the leading psychologists of the day, notably Abraham Maslow, was that he (Kinsey) did not consider the bias created by the data representing only those who were willing to participate.

I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. 

5300 white males and 5940 white females provided almost all the data, with the majority of participants being younger white adults with some college education. (This part of the sample is referred to as the "College Sample.") Kinsey tried to compensate for volunteer bias in his sample by interviewing 100% of the individuals available in a given organization or group. Approximately 25% of the sex histories came from these 100% groups. (Kinsey did not believe a random sample was possible.)

Certainly in 1950 only 1% of people will admit they're homosexual. Most modern surveyS have seen that number increase to at least 5%. 

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-percent-of-the-population-is-gay-more-than-you-think-5012467/?no-ist

According to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research, about 20 percent of the population is attracted to their own gender. That’s nearly double the usual estimates of about 10 percent. The authors explain that their methodology might have something to do with it:

Participants were randomly assigned to either a “best practices method” that was computer-based and provides privacy and anonymity, or to a “veiled elicitation method” that further conceals individual responses. Answers in the veiled method preclude inference about any particular individual, but can be used to accurately estimate statistics about the population. Comparing the two methods shows sexuality-related questions receive biased responses even under current best practices, and, for many questions, the bias is substantial. The veiled method increased self-reports of non-heterosexual identity by 65% (p<0.05) and same-sex sexual experiences by 59% (p<0.01). The veiled method also increased the rates of anti-gay sentiment. Respondents were 67% more likely to express disapproval of an openly gay manager at work (p<0.01) and 71% more likely to say it is okay to discriminate against lesbian, gay, or bisexual individuals (p<0.01).

^ And again that is only people admitting their same-sex attractions. 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-survey-gives-government-its-first-large-scale-data-on-gay-bisexual-population/2014/07/14/2db9f4b0-092f-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html

 

The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

The figures offered a slightly smaller assessment of the size of the gay, lesbian and bisexual population than other surveys, which have pegged the overall proportion at closer to 3.5 or 4 percent

 

Far larger sample size with over 30k respondants. Most surveys from 1950 to today have been consistent with these percentages. 

 

Also I understood this: "I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. " My point was that this assumption seemed to be arbritaririly low. Without the actual data it could be 10% or 80%.

"The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

As was already stated, most people will label themselves as heterosexual even though most have at least a little atraction to the same gender. And many gays lie and say they are heterosexual during these researches.



contestgamer on 19 April 2015

 

Materia-Blade said:
contestgamer said:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/health-survey-gives-government-its-first-large-scale-data-on-gay-bisexual-population/2014/07/14/2db9f4b0-092f-11e4-bbf1-cc51275e7f8f_story.html

 

The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

The figures offered a slightly smaller assessment of the size of the gay, lesbian and bisexual population than other surveys, which have pegged the overall proportion at closer to 3.5 or 4 percent

 

Far larger sample size with over 30k respondants. Most surveys from 1950 to today have been consistent with these percentages. 

 

Also I understood this: "I meant to say I'm sure at least another 10-15% are a 2. " My point was that this assumption seemed to be arbritaririly low. Without the actual data it could be 10% or 80%.

"The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

As was already stated, most people will label themselves as heterosexual even though most have at least a little atraction to the same gender. And many gays lie and say they are heterosexual during these researches.


Thats all just conjecture



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Materia-Blade on 19 April 2015
contestgamer said:

 

Materia-Blade said:

"The National Health Interview Survey, which is the government’s premier tool for annually assessing Americans’ health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded “I don’t know the answer” or said they were “something else.”

As was already stated, most people will label themselves as heterosexual even though most have at least a little atraction to the same gender. And many gays lie and say they are heterosexual during these researches.


Thats all just conjecture

If even people who are gay pretend to be straight, why wouldn't bisexuals do the same?



Razeak on 19 April 2015

Ok, he is gay. Great whatever. I think it is fine.

One thing sticks out to me as being incredibly stupid though.

"...Kung Jin explore his closeted sexuality as he finishes several of his competitors."

So is he flipping Ted Bundy or what? That just sounds idiotic. Like is he going to have flashbacks of his previous relationships while he performs a fatality?  Good lord. Maybe Anita was on to something.



contestgamer on 19 April 2015
Materia-Blade said:
contestgamer said:

 


Thats all just conjecture

If even people who are gay pretend to be straight, why wouldn't bisexuals do the same?


These are anonymous surveys. Even if half are pretending despite it being anonymous, you still have under 10% gay and bi combined.



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RCTjunkie on 19 April 2015

Fascinating. I never figured that sexuality related at all to Mortal Kombat (well maybe the outfits), so I was surprised when I read the title. It makes more sense in context.



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