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Zucas said:
Well seeing that the Hitler tangent came up, Hitler was not a good man, but you can't deny he wasn't a smart man. As crazy as he was he did what was necessary to put that nation back on top. Think he did a damn good job of it as well.

Now with the Holocaust and all its hard to look brightly upon that, but I'm going to give an instance. We all know how evolution works, and technically Hitler was playing the Evolution game. Really he thought survival of the fittest is not only something that should be lived by but enforced. Of course his ideas of inferiority and superiorty weren't based simply on physical conditions and that's why I see him as a madman in that instance.


However Hitler was not a good person yet still you can't deny his accomplishments as the German dictator. I am in no way defending Hitler, but I will give you the other side of things and the opposite perspective. No one in this world anymore wants to hear the other side. Always like to hear one side and go off that and never give a look into the other people's eyes. Same thing the media and politicians did the Islamic nation in general after 9/11. People need to understand there is always 2 sides and many different ways of thinking. Don't let yourself get brainwashed by one side. Listen to all sides then make your decision on which one you want to go with. I know all sides and perspectives of Nazi Germany and in some ways I agree with how it was run but in most ways I thought it was to tyrannical.


 I agree with everything he said except the part in bold.

He thought that certain races (because jewish weren't the only victims) were prejudicing Germany. Let's take criminals for an example. I live in a very, VERY dangerous city and i know that they won't steal for their poor starving families, they steal only for their factions, to get status and drugs, and for their money for themselves, and see these bastards everyday carrying guns around and throwing gang signs in public, and yes i wish they were erradicated. I think Hitler saw it the same way (not saying it was truth).




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The Ghost of RubangB said:

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I'm absolutely disgusted when people doubt things that have very obvious hard evidence, like the Holocaust or the moon landing.

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Sorry, friend, but even Spider-Man disagrees with you:



things that disgust me r people who make loud noises when the chew, people who fart and dont flush the toilet i.e my high school, ugly bitches that think there hot because they hang out with their immensely hot friend, dirty kitches and washrooms, and ermpeople that have food on their face. like carry a fucking mirror, your not gay if u do! liverpool soccer team, chelsea soccer team, ac milan, italy soccer team, and marco materazzi ( i would rip his balls off if i had the chance), diego maradona, hairy moles (austin powers: moley moley moley), people who cant dance to soca music i.e caribanna.

thingsd that scare me r my basement, scary shows i.e goosebumps, jason and freddy, my principals face, and hour of victory for 360.



CaptainPrefrences said:
things that disgust me r people who make loud noises when the chew, people who fart and dont flush the toilet i.e my high school, ugly bitches that think there hot because they hang out with their immensely hot friend, dirty kitches and washrooms, and ermpeople that have food on their face. like carry a fucking mirror, your not gay if u do! liverpool soccer team, chelsea soccer team, ac milan, italy soccer team, and marco materazzi ( i would rip his balls off if i had the chance), diego maradona, hairy moles (austin powers: moley moley moley), people who cant dance to soca music i.e caribanna.

thingsd that scare me r my basement, scary shows i.e goosebumps, jason and freddy, my principals face, and hour of victory for 360.
I usually don't flush the toilet when I fart either. 

 



Crusty VGchartz old timer who sporadically returns & posts. Let's debate nebulous shit and expand our perpectives. Or whatever.

ignorance, people who let pride get in the way of things, a lot of what was mentioned above (especially that mf'er that threw that puppy and people like that,I've seen worse. its just disturbing that people would do things like that), sheeple, among other things, lol.



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Humans scare me. We think we are really smart, but we are really stupid. Dangerous combo.



The U.S. Military has some great people but it also has some real pathetic assholes as well.  I hope that guy gets his arms (or legs) blown off.



Alasted said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:

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I'm absolutely disgusted when people doubt things that have very obvious hard evidence, like the Holocaust or the moon landing.

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Sorry, friend, but even Spider-Man disagrees with you:


 Holy shit.  Well, if Spider-Man doesn't believe it happened, I don't either.



I'm pretty sure the puppy video is a fake. A dog being held like that would squirm around, trying to get free. The one in this video never changed it's position--it didn't even move once. Not to mention that the "barking" sounds a hell of a lot like a sound effect added on afterwards. It's a few "barks" repeated at an interval, sounding a lot like a sound effect on a loop. I think it was a puppy doll or plush toy thrown over. It's still rather reprehensible to fake such a thing, but I don't think it's a real death.

However, because the video just started circulating, it can't be said for sure one way or the other: http://www.snopes.com/photos/military/throwpuppy.asp

As for the poster who said Hitler did a good job of putting Germany back on top...uh, no he didn't. He started the deadliest war in human history. Setting aside the tens of millions of Russians, Americans, British, French, Polish, Czech, etc. dead, the war devastated Germany, where much of the fighting took place, destroying cities, killing millions (both army and civilians), and left Germany a shell of what it was, split into two nations under the thumb of the eventual ruling powers. Germany as a whole did not fully recover from WWII until the mid-90s, once it was reunited as one country and East Germany given a chance to flourish. I'm pretty sure Germans would have preferred Wiemar-era inflation to the devastation the war caused. Especially the dead Germans.

Did Hitler keep Stalin in check? No, of course not. The Soviet Union was a large but struggling nation at the start of the war (which is why Stalin signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of non-agression--he didn't want to go to war with Germany). Hitler decided to break the pact and invade the Soviet Union, committing the most famous blunder there is (Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Slightly less famous, of course, is never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! A ha ha ha...plop). By the end of the war the Soviet Union was incredibly powerful, having control over nearly all of Eastern Europe--precisely the area the USSR had to cover to fight the German army back into Germany. Hitler didn't keep Stalin in check, he made him more dangerous.

Finally, the Holocaust. All of you creating excuses as to why it's understandable to commit mass genocide (9 million people) sicken me deeply. There's a difference, Flow, to saying I hate "these bastards everyday carrying guns around and throwing gang signs in public" and following such a thought up with deciding to kill all black/latino/poor/whatever people. I seriously doubt you want to kill all black people--why defend a man who was willing to make that leap?

And Zucas--that's not how evolution works. survival of the fittest/natural selection/Darwinism is focused on the ways species evolve and adapt to best take advantage of their ecological niche. Those species and/or subsection of a species that don't adapt die out because they cannot compete for natural resources. Not because they are beaten by the more "fit" species (if that were true we would only have animals at the top of the food chain left in the world--which would promptly die out due to a lack of feeding sources). What Hitler was doing was not an "enforced" natural selection or even a form of social Darwinism--it was an insane mixture of eugenics and a hatred of all those that did not conform to a certain type of beauty standards (standards he himself didn't live up to).

There is no excusing or rationalizing the holocaust. I'm as much a relativist as they come, and agree with you, Zucas, about the way Arabs and Muslims are portrayed post-9/11, but the two things don't equate. The reasons are twofold:

1. A more accurate analogy to post-9/11 assumptions about Arabs and Muslims would be to say Germans as a whole don't get a fair shake in the way they're represented circa-Nazi Germany. Comparing how an entire people are thought of to the way just one man is (especially when that man is one of history's greatest murderers) simply doesn't work as a formulation.

2. Death toll of 9/11: right around 3,000. Death toll of the Holocaust: 9 million. If any person, group of people, ethnicity of people, whatever decided en masse to kill millions of people for being different from themselves, I would have to think that, yes, that person/group/ethnicity was pretty screwed up. Take all the deaths of all the suicide bombings, terrorist attacks or whatever committed by the the extremist Arabs ever, and it doesn't equal one tenth of the number of people killed in the Holocaust. The two things cannot be equated. The only thing you can compare a genocide to is another genocide. Are you going to give Stalin and Pol Pot the same benefit of the doubt you give Hitler?

Sorry to get off on a rant, but defending Hitler in any way is just, in my opinion, absurd at best, and sickening at, well, not even worst.



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jalsonmi said:

As for the poster who said Hitler did a good job of putting Germany back on top...uh, no he didn't. He started the deadliest war in human history. Setting aside the tens of millions of Russians, Americans, British, French, Polish, Czech, etc. dead, the war devastated Germany, where much of the fighting took place, destroying cities, killing millions (both army and civilians), and left Germany a shell of what it was, split into two nations under the thumb of the eventual ruling powers. Germany as a whole did not fully recover from WWII until the mid-90s, once it was reunited as one country and East Germany given a chance to flourish. I'm pretty sure Germans would have preferred Wiemar-era inflation to the devastation the war caused. Especially the dead Germans.

Did Hitler keep Stalin in check? No, of course not. The Soviet Union was a large but struggling nation at the start of the war (which is why Stalin signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of non-agression--he didn't want to go to war with Germany). Hitler decided to break the pact and invade the Soviet Union, committing the most famous blunder there is (Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Slightly less famous, of course, is never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! A ha ha ha...plop). By the end of the war the Soviet Union was incredibly powerful, having control over nearly all of Eastern Europe--precisely the area the USSR had to cover to fight the German army back into Germany. Hitler didn't keep Stalin in check, he made him more dangerous.

Finally, the Holocaust. All of you creating excuses as to why it's understandable to commit mass genocide (9 million people) sicken me deeply. There's a difference, Flow, to saying I hate "these bastards everyday carrying guns around and throwing gang signs in public" and following such a thought up with deciding to kill all black/latino/poor/whatever people. I seriously doubt you want to kill all black people--why defend a man who was willing to make that leap?

And Zucas--that's not how evolution works. survival of the fittest/natural selection/Darwinism is focused on the ways species evolve and adapt to best take advantage of their ecological niche. Those species and/or subsection of a species that don't adapt die out because they cannot compete for natural resources. Not because they are beaten by the more "fit" species (if that were true we would only have animals at the top of the food chain left in the world--which would promptly die out due to a lack of feeding sources). What Hitler was doing was not an "enforced" natural selection or even a form of social Darwinism--it was an insane mixture of eugenics and a hatred of all those that did not conform to a certain type of beauty standards (standards he himself didn't live up to).

There is no excusing or rationalizing the holocaust. I'm as much a relativist as they come, and agree with you, Zucas, about the way Arabs and Muslims are portrayed post-9/11, but the two things don't equate. The reasons are twofold:

1. A more accurate analogy to post-9/11 assumptions about Arabs and Muslims would be to say Germans as a whole don't get a fair shake in the way they're represented circa-Nazi Germany. Comparing how an entire people are thought of to the way just one man is (especially when that man is one of history's greatest murderers) simply doesn't work as a formulation.

2. Death toll of 9/11: right around 3,000. Death toll of the Holocaust: 9 million. If any person, group of people, ethnicity of people, whatever decided en masse to kill millions of people for being different from themselves, I would have to think that, yes, that person/group/ethnicity was pretty screwed up. Take all the deaths of all the suicide bombings, terrorist attacks or whatever committed by the the extremist Arabs ever, and it doesn't equal one tenth of the number of people killed in the Holocaust. The two things cannot be equated. The only thing you can compare a genocide to is another genocide. Are you going to give Stalin and Pol Pot the same benefit of the doubt you give Hitler?

Sorry to get off on a rant, but defending Hitler in any way is just, in my opinion, absurd at best, and sickening at, well, not even worst.

this is a very touchy subject so i'll keep it brief. i don't believe zucas was in anyway trying to defend the holocaust. what he was trying to do (i believe) was acknowledge that hitler is more then just a cut out historical figure.

his negative points have been (and deserve to be) placed in the forefront whenever his name is mentioned. however, in some respects, he did do great things for the psyche of the post WWI german people. within a decade, he boasted the economy, rebuilt the country, remassed the army, and made germany one of the premier countries in the world. 

i am in no way trying to defend hitler, or the war, or the holocaust, or anyting. but i don't believe you do history justice unless you take both positive and negative elements of the time into account.

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back to the OP. i really hate (and im serious) bum fights. like those people who pay bums to fight and then record it. those people can.... well, you know.