By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Microsoft - IS the Europe price cut bigger than first thought? Starts today?

Hmmm, if Microsoft doesnt jumps leaps ahead in Europe with this price cut and GTAIV, then I'd basically say they're done.

This seems like their last call and throwing everything on the table.

The PS3 is gaining in alarmingly close to the 360 user base in Europe. Despite the 360 being less expensive.

GTAIV+Episodes will be their ultimate card, and if that doesnt work out... oh boy.

Its gonna be interesting to see what the effect will be.



Nintendo & Sony supporter:

 Consoles: Wii & PS3.

Around the Network

i don't think sony can react much to this, and ms know this. i think so anyway. sony can either ride it out and hope for the best, or risk ANOTHER price cut in under a year. either way, it's game on.




Three things everyone is this thread has forgotten.

1. Disposable income thanks to Microsoft deferring their price cuts they have more disposable income. Sony cut two hundred dollars from their console in less then a year much of it being applied to unsold models that were made at a higher cost. Further more most everyone thinks that Sony was taking a huge up front loss. I would say it is doubtful that Sony has made any money off of their console yet, and the more they lose in the short term the less likely it is they will ever see any profits. Microsoft can win the price war, and if they decide to lose money on their console. Sony will take the larger whack by far.

2. The PS2 can defer costs for Sony only so long as it has a serious price advantage over the next generation consoles. A price war only reduces that longevity. The faster Microsoft and Sony slice the costs on their next generation consoles the shorter the lifespan of the PS2 will become. The PS2 is where Sony is profitable in the console department.

3. The price has been a major factor in this console generation. We have seen how effective price cuts have or have not been. Microsoft is probably correct in their assessment. They are now reaching prime real estate when it comes to next generation console purchases. They are basically moving into the region where most gamers can afford to buy into this generation.

Sony isn't in a prime position to price war Microsoft. They need more time to reduce their production costs, and more importantly they need to be in a position to generate some profit. Especially to offset their initial losses. The faster the prices are driven down the sooner their cheap console with a real profit margin will be forced off of store shelves. Finally if they price war Microsoft there is no reason for Microsoft to not answer again as an attempt to bleed Sony white. Microsoft might be in prime real estate, but if you price war them and they actually make their console cheap. Then you have a real problem on your hand. The choice to one becomes a easy one.

Microsoft is in a prime position Sony is out of position, and will be out of position for some time. Microsoft really controls the context in this situation. Your deluded if you think Sony can continue to throw money away at a prodigious rate such as they have in the past. Microsoft can win either end of the spectrum in this situation if Sony tries to match they dig themselves deeper into debt on the machine. Sony doesn't match and Microsoft has a real sales advantage. Regardless Sony has no possibility of defeating Nintendo, and they have to deal with them next generation.

Basically fiscally speaking this price cut by Microsoft is most likely a stand alone event unless Sony gets supremely desperate, and even then there is nothing to stop Microsoft from increasing the pressure. To be plain if Sony suddenly produces a third price cut. Microsoft could do the same at a significantly lower loss to themselves.



Sony would be fools not to drop the price in europe soon.



 

 

 

I think this will actually put more pressure on reducing sales of the PS2 then anything. A NextGen console only about 100 more than the last gen makes it very attractive.

As for this being a last ditch effort by Microsoft. I don't think so. I assume they will still be making money with this cut and then at the end of summer the new smaller graphic chip will be in place adding reliability and ability to drop price further for the Christmas rush.



Around the Network

I think Sony will cut PS3 40 GB to Elite price level prior to GTA4. At least in the UK.



I'm not convinced people will buy a lot of Core/Arcade consoles even at €199 because it's just not a fully-functional 360. At the end of the day the 360 starts at €279, which is still outside of the mainstream market.



Hardcore gaming is a bubble economy blown up by Microsoft's $7 $6 billion losses.

rukusa said:
Hmmm, if Microsoft doesnt jumps leaps ahead in Europe with this price cut and GTAIV, then I'd basically say they're done.

This seems like their last call and throwing everything on the table.

The PS3 is gaining in alarmingly close to the 360 user base in Europe. Despite the 360 being less expensive.

GTAIV+Episodes will be their ultimate card, and if that doesnt work out... oh boy.

Its gonna be interesting to see what the effect will be.

So basically if MS is significantly in front of Sony after this but not leaps and bounds, they are done?

Last call?  You don't think they will have more price cuts and exclusives through the next 18-24 months? 



starcraft - Playing Games = FUN, Talking about Games = SERIOUS

Dodece said:
Three things everyone is this thread has forgotten.

1. Disposable income thanks to Microsoft deferring their price cuts they have more disposable income. Sony cut two hundred dollars from their console in less then a year much of it being applied to unsold models that were made at a higher cost. Further more most everyone thinks that Sony was taking a huge up front loss. I would say it is doubtful that Sony has made any money off of their console yet, and the more they lose in the short term the less likely it is they will ever see any profits. Microsoft can win the price war, and if they decide to lose money on their console. Sony will take the larger whack by far.

2. The PS2 can defer costs for Sony only so long as it has a serious price advantage over the next generation consoles. A price war only reduces that longevity. The faster Microsoft and Sony slice the costs on their next generation consoles the shorter the lifespan of the PS2 will become. The PS2 is where Sony is profitable in the console department.

3. The price has been a major factor in this console generation. We have seen how effective price cuts have or have not been. Microsoft is probably correct in their assessment. They are now reaching prime real estate when it comes to next generation console purchases. They are basically moving into the region where most gamers can afford to buy into this generation.

Sony isn't in a prime position to price war Microsoft. They need more time to reduce their production costs, and more importantly they need to be in a position to generate some profit. Especially to offset their initial losses. The faster the prices are driven down the sooner their cheap console with a real profit margin will be forced off of store shelves. Finally if they price war Microsoft there is no reason for Microsoft to not answer again as an attempt to bleed Sony white. Microsoft might be in prime real estate, but if you price war them and they actually make their console cheap. Then you have a real problem on your hand. The choice to one becomes a easy one.

Microsoft is in a prime position Sony is out of position, and will be out of position for some time. Microsoft really controls the context in this situation. Your deluded if you think Sony can continue to throw money away at a prodigious rate such as they have in the past. Microsoft can win either end of the spectrum in this situation if Sony tries to match they dig themselves deeper into debt on the machine. Sony doesn't match and Microsoft has a real sales advantage. Regardless Sony has no possibility of defeating Nintendo, and they have to deal with them next generation.

Basically fiscally speaking this price cut by Microsoft is most likely a stand alone event unless Sony gets supremely desperate, and even then there is nothing to stop Microsoft from increasing the pressure. To be plain if Sony suddenly produces a third price cut. Microsoft could do the same at a significantly lower loss to themselves.

 Even though that is good logic, Microsoft isn't wanting to get into a price war either.  I don't think they made money off of any of the original xbox's except maybe at the end and they haven't been making money off of the 360 for long if they have at all.  Even though they make a lot of money through software like Halo, they still have a whole to climb out of themselves.  If Sony matches this price and then Microsoft drops the price again, they will be losing money as that would be a huge drop in price because if not they would have been making tons of money off of every console sold and we would have heard rumors of that a long time ago or even seen the report of the money they made that they show to envestors.



rukusa said:
Hmmm, if Microsoft doesnt jumps leaps ahead in Europe with this price cut and GTAIV, then I'd basically say they're done.

This seems like their last call and throwing everything on the table.

The PS3 is gaining in alarmingly close to the 360 user base in Europe. Despite the 360 being less expensive.

GTAIV+Episodes will be their ultimate card, and if that doesnt work out... oh boy.

Its gonna be interesting to see what the effect will be.

You can easily flip that around.  "If Sony doesn't hurry up and close the gap with 360 in NA then they're finished."