Wonktonodi said:
sc94597 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Why should they deny homesexuals? where in their religion does it say to do such a thing? If they are taking a part that is mostly abandoned that mentions homosexuality to be a sin, yet not denying buisness to other sinners how is that being religeous? and actually no, they don't have equal rights, religion is protected under the constitution and in the state of Indiana, beign gay not so much. The law allows people of a religion to desciminate. It doesn't suddenly make it legal to descriminate against them actually.
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I'm not a subscriber of any religion, let alone their particular religion so I can't say exactly, but I think the argument the bakeries had (which this law is a reaction to) was that they don't want to take part in the ceremony which they considered it sinful to do so by producing the wedding cake. It isn't like they wouldn't sell a cupcake to a gay person, they just don't want to be involved in a gay wedding (making a wedding cake is more than selling the cake, you have to prepare it for the wedding specifically, have multiple corespondences with the couple, ask questions regarding their wedding, etc, etc.) As a 5 on the kinsey scale, I think it is more wrong to sue these people or shut down their business for standing by their beliefs, even if their beliefs are hurtful, in my eyes wrong, and illogical, which I say as an athiest.
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At what point are they really following their beleifs and at what point is it just descriminating against people so they can look like they are following? How far does that business deny sevice? If they only serve members of their own religious comunity who are holding to a certain standard, I'd agree, but at that point the buisiness would probably be clearly advertised as such, but if they are willing to serve many people who don't follow their strict religious standards and only draw the line at homosexuals, I think it's fine for them to be sued. Real and through religious convictions are very different from "lets bash the gays or deny them service to feel closer to god"
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The point is, they are not denying service because the other person is a sinner, they are denying it because they believe if they partake in the ceremony it is a sin (immoral) on their own personal part as well. A more extreme analogy of this, which isn't exactly the same thing (no analogies are), is whether or not a doctor will give an abortion after a certain trimester in states where such abortions are legal. Many doctors will refuse to give an abortion after say the first trimester, not because it is illegal in their state, but because they don't want to morally. Should these doctors be forced to treat all pregnant woman the same, and enact the abortion? Should they lose their license if they refuse? Another more close to the point analogy is the question of whether or not a minister will perform a gay wedding or not is discrimination. Do you think all ordained ministers should perform gay weddings? If not, then why should all wedding cake producers make wedding cakes for gay weddings? Both entities are paid to perform a task, even if it is only a tip in the minster's case. Should all church buildings be willing to have gay wedding in them as well?
In my opinion things like this hurt the LGBT movement. They make it harder for LGBT to be accepted, and it creates a mentality of us vs. them filled with resent on the religious persons end and resent on the non-heterosexual person's end.