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Mike_L said:
JWeinCom said:
Mike_L said:
Riverstyx said:
On the handhelds mostly.

1. When you take out crossgen titles, the list gets a lot smaller.  And I'd argue that not all of those games are "great".  Personally, I only think the bolded ones meet that standard.

2. The reason crossgen titles don't count is because in general, there is absolutely no difference in crossgen titles besides resolution and some special effects, which many people don't find worth 400 dollars.

3. Before, new consoles meant new experiences you simply couldn't have on older systems.  You couldn't play Wii Sports without the Wii's controls.  Dead Rising simply produced too many characters for the XBox to hold (see the Wii version).  FZero wouldn't be playble on the NES, except in a severely compromised form.  Final Fantasy 7 was too large for disc based systems.  Sonic the Hedgehog would have been terrible on the Master System (and it was).  Shenmue was far too large for the Saturn to handle.

4. New consoles should mean new experiences.  The whole point is to play something you couldn't have on an older system.  Going from the PS1 to PS2 was like going from a Nokia flip phone to a Droid.  Going from the PS3 to the PS4 is like going from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s.

1. I'm confused. Your premise as to whether new gen games can be labelled as great seems to be whether they can run on last gen hardware only with lower resolution, less fps and poorer graphics. So out of the 53 released games that I listed you only think Bayonetta 2, Super Mario 3D World, Super Smash Bros. U and The Wonderful 101 qualify as great games. Please tell me you realise how subjective that claim is. Why exactly these 4 games? Why don't you think these 4 games can run on last gen hardware in some form?

That's not what I said at all.  I took out any titles that actually are crossgen, or remasters, regardless of the quality of the game.  The list I gave is what you have left after doing that.  After that, those happen to be the games I think qualify as great.  That's just my two cents, take it or leave it.  And those games absolutely can run on next gen hardware, but again that's not the point I was making.

To simplify things, forget about the bolded titles.  That list is what's left when you take out crossgen.

2. Why do people even buy a new console if they don't think it's worth its price yet. Excuse me but I think that's really stupid. And why do they feel the need to complain all the time instead of just wait buying until there are more unique games available and let other people enjoy gaming. I never understood some people's need to shove their own opinion down other people's throat.

Because some people write for gaming websites and it's their job to write their opinions about the gaming industry?  Who is shoving anything down anyone's throat here?  When you give your opinion, are you shoving it down people's throats?  Or is it only shoving your opinion down people's throats when it's an opposing viewpoint?

People like sharing their opinions, positive or negative.  That's why we have things like... you know, message forums.  If you don't agree, you have the choice to step away from your computer, and do whatever it is you'd rather do.  I am not shoving anything down your throat.  You are free to not respond and move on with your life.  I swear, I won't come to your house and beat you till you agree with me.

 

3. I don't see why a gimmick like the Wii mote should decide whether a new gen game can be great or not. I simply don't agree. If people enjoy e.g. Shadow of Mordor on their PS4 I don't think you can dictate that it isn't a great game experience just because it runs on last gen consoles as well and doesn't need a new controller gimmick. Besides the DS4 really adds to the experience in many games in a way that DS3 can't.

I don't see where I said Wii Sports was great. This passage in no way relates to what I said, so I'm going to ignore it.  This is either an attempt at a straw man argument, or simply poor reading comprehension.

4. I've already had moments where I really felt the unique experiences new gen consoles can offer and I can reassure you more of these new experiences unique to new gen consoles will come down the road. Resistance: Fall of Man wasn't that giant leap over the PS2 compared with later PS3 and Xbox 360 games. If you ever expected going from PS3 to PS4 would be as big as going from PS1 to PS2 I think you were quite naive. Consoles sell because of their low price and great accessibility. You can't expect a PS1 to PS2 like evolution from a $399 console. Maybe consoles just aren't your thing.

Consoles are certainly my thing, because in the past, each console has offered new styles of gameplay and new styles of games.  The new generation of consoles isn't my thing, because they do not offer anything to me beyond mild to moderate visual enhancements.  If that changes down the line, I'll happily change my opinion.





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JWeinCom said:

You are free to not respond and move on with your life.

I think we both understand each other's opinions so I'll move on. :)



Chazore said:
Ruler said:

so gamespot is saying its a console thing? Despite the fact that the PC and Consoles pretty much share all the AAA games now. If the console versions are delayed so is the PC version. So why not just calling it where are all the great games? Why just bashing consoles instead gaming in general in their title?


I'm pretty sure the Gamespot guy already knew this but because PC gaming is dying again and has less exclusives and attention that there was no obvious need to mention them.

What do you earn by bashing gaming anyway?, you throw all your stones and you hit nothing because you're hitting no targets, not ones that would pay attention to you anyway.

He could also say AAA



Ruler said:
Chazore said:


I'm pretty sure the Gamespot guy already knew this but because PC gaming is dying again and has less exclusives and attention that there was no obvious need to mention them.

What do you earn by bashing gaming anyway?, you throw all your stones and you hit nothing because you're hitting no targets, not ones that would pay attention to you anyway.

He could also say AAA


I'd say the PC is on fire right now with quality content. Cities Skylines has blown me away. It's the game I never thought we were ever going to see again after Maxis completely blew it with Sim City.



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JWeinCom said:

When you take out crossgen titles, the list gets a lot smaller.  And I'd argue that not all of those games are "great".  Personally, I only think the bolded ones meet that standard.

The reason crossgen titles don't count is because in general, there is absolutely no difference in crossgen titles besides resolution and some special effects, which many people don't find worth 400 dollars.

Before, new consoles meant new experiences you simply couldn't have on older systems.  You couldn't play Wii Sports without the Wii's controls.  Dead Rising simply produced too many characters for the XBox to hold (see the Wii version).  FZero wouldn't be playble on the NES, except in a severely compromised form.  Final Fantasy 7 was too large for disc based systems.  Sonic the Hedgehog would have been terrible on the Master System (and it was).  Shenmue was far too large for the Saturn to handle.

New consoles should mean new experiences.  The whole point is to play something you couldn't have on an older system.  Going from the PS1 to PS2 was like going from a Nokia flip phone to a Droid.  Going from the PS3 to the PS4 is like going from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s.

Lots of people around here will try and deny it, but I think this is becasue we have hit a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the technology.  Developers can do just about anything they want with the available power, and have been able for some time.  The easy/obvious game play advances, like 2D to 3D, have already happened.  Now it is up to developers to use their creativity to come up with new experiences for gamers.

Unfortunately, it seems most developers aren't all that creative, and consumers don't seem to have much of an appetite for creative games.



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I think there are a lot of good games out on next gen. There just might not be anything "wow" quality yet in terms of things you just couldn't achieve before. Still the biggest wow moment for me this gen was Dead Rising 3 and all the zombies on screen with a huge open world and large draw distance.

Most of the great games are cross gen. This will change in time, though.

Besides the cross gen factor, I think weak consoles is another reason people aren't compelled to upgrade. Personally I think the upgrades were worth it for new OS alone. But most people I know that haven't upgraded yet, simply see no reason to do it, because no games really wow them.



theRepublic said:
JWeinCom said:

When you take out crossgen titles, the list gets a lot smaller.  And I'd argue that not all of those games are "great".  Personally, I only think the bolded ones meet that standard.

The reason crossgen titles don't count is because in general, there is absolutely no difference in crossgen titles besides resolution and some special effects, which many people don't find worth 400 dollars.

Before, new consoles meant new experiences you simply couldn't have on older systems.  You couldn't play Wii Sports without the Wii's controls.  Dead Rising simply produced too many characters for the XBox to hold (see the Wii version).  FZero wouldn't be playble on the NES, except in a severely compromised form.  Final Fantasy 7 was too large for disc based systems.  Sonic the Hedgehog would have been terrible on the Master System (and it was).  Shenmue was far too large for the Saturn to handle.

New consoles should mean new experiences.  The whole point is to play something you couldn't have on an older system.  Going from the PS1 to PS2 was like going from a Nokia flip phone to a Droid.  Going from the PS3 to the PS4 is like going from an iPhone 5 to an iPhone 5s.

Lots of people around here will try and deny it, but I think this is becasue we have hit a point of diminishing returns when it comes to the technology.  Developers can do just about anything they want with the available power, and have been able for some time.  The easy/obvious game play advances, like 2D to 3D, have already happened.  Now it is up to developers to use their creativity to come up with new experiences for gamers.

Unfortunately, it seems most developers aren't all that creative, and consumers don't seem to have much of an appetite for creative games.

There are other areas to innovate besides hardware specs.  It could be in services like Playstation Now (although that service isn't worth it yet IMO), it could be interface (where XBox One tried and failed), or it could be in controls like the Wii. 

Of course it could be software as well.  Gamers don't have an appetite for creative games because few developers are willing to make the same investment in them as they do in their less creative titles.  Games like Puppeteer were just sent out to die last gen.



While I'll easily admit this gen hasn't been very exciting for me, I cannot deny there are plenty of great games for gamers to choose from, and just because you're bad at looking for great games and just wait to have the media tell you what to play doesn't negate that fact.



Lawlight said:
Nem said:


Not a single one of those is a next-gen game. I think the point here is that we are missing next-gen games. Cross-gen and remasters are still aplenty.


So, the problem is that the previous generation consoles are still powerful enough to handle current gen games?


No, the problem is there is less offer than ever before.



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